(December 6, 2012 at 7:19 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Who gives a shit about me? I'm a mutha fuckin patty, I love dat flame broil

Why are you here if you think that no one gives a shit about you?

(December 6, 2012 at 7:12 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: You don't get to decide when and where I engage you in good faith. I do.

You're a grown man. I expect more from you than I do from the others.

You're correct, in that you get to decide when you engage in good faith.

That you appear to choose to do so infrequently doesn't say good things about your character, IMHO.

I actually had hoped you were turning over a new leaf, because I think it's actually possible that you might have something interesting and thought-provoking to say. However, after seeing you alternate between calls for rationality and being a demonstrative proof of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory, I have to say that my interest has waned.

I have no interest in attempting to have serious intellectual discourse with someone like that. It's not worth the effort.

Did you really use the term haters? Fuck, no one cares that much. I can't even bring myself to hate any of my exes. Too much effort involved with hate. Why the hell would I then hate you? Waste of time.

(December 6, 2012 at 8:29 pm)Shell B Wrote: Did you really use the term haters? Fuck, no one cares that much. I can't even bring myself to hate any of my exes. Too much effort involved with hate. Why the hell would I then hate you? Waste of time.

Next let's master anger, I will journey with you on this humbling experience.

Maybe Vinny likes having haters. He said it himself that he loves that flame broil, and so maybe he takes pleasure in it.

(December 6, 2012 at 8:29 pm)Shell B Wrote: Did you really use the term haters? Fuck, no one cares that much. I can't even bring myself to hate any of my exes. Too much effort involved with hate. Why the hell would I then hate you? Waste of time.

your fuckin stupid seriously, i'd write a whole paragraph about how fuckin stupid you are.............. if i wasn't convinced you are too fuckin idiotic too understand it

Mein FÜHRER!!!!

are we exchanging the word "nazi" for "idiotic" and "stupid" now?

awaiting your orders!!!

(December 6, 2012 at 8:58 pm)cratehorus Wrote:

(December 6, 2012 at 8:29 pm)Shell B Wrote: Did you really use the term haters? Fuck, no one cares that much. I can't even bring myself to hate any of my exes. Too much effort involved with hate. Why the hell would I then hate you? Waste of time.

your fuckin stupid seriously, i'd write a whole paragraph about how fuckin stupid you are.............. if i wasn't convinced you are too fuckin idiotic too understand it

I don't know about you, Vinny, but I've never had any difficulty having serious discussions here. I can't say that I've experienced what you claim to be experiencing. I'm active here and on one other forum, and I fault that other forum, vocally recently, for being entirely too lax and namby pamby. When I settled into these two forums, I originally avoided serious discussions because I found them unsatisfying; they had a tendency to devolve into an endless series of posturing and picking nits. As such, originally my preference was for that other forum, where the emphasis was on fun and frivolity, and serious discussions took a back seat. (I've also, recently, suggested that the quality of serious discussions there is lacking, because the protection of posters who can't compete in a serious discussion means you end up with a lopsided representation among the membership. Granted, that's just a theory, but for whatever reason, I find their serious discussions less satisfying than those here.) So I started out avoiding serious discussions, and spending a lot of time over there. Over the past six months, I find myself spending more and more time here, eclipsing the time I spend there, and it's the quality of the discussions which has a lot to do with that.

More, reading your posts of late, I see a lot of self-fulfilling prophecy; you want something to be true, so it becomes true. I've remained mostly silent in the face of it, but you, in my eyes, have a grossly distorted view of other people and what goes on here. I think this "perception" of yours may be contributing a lot to your apparent dissatisfaction here. Just suggesting that you're seeing what you want to see, and it's not necessarily there. Granted, I'm probably not the best witness; I'm very broad minded, and so likely interpret things more charitably than most; and because of my personality, I'm likely to flourish regardless of the environment, so maybe I see things as rosier than they are. (I'm reminded of the studies of self-esteem in which they found that teams with high self-esteem won more games; in retrospect, their higher self-esteem seemed to be the result of them winning a lot of games, not the cause of it.)

I think you've got a big chip on your shoulder, and a bag full of preconceptions about how people are going to behave, and how they are going to treat you, and surprise, you end up seeing exactly what you expect to see.

I personally could care less whether you come or go. But don't pretend that just because you say things are one way that that necessarily means they are that way.

You're simply not that prescient. And this will be said sooner or later, so I'll say it now. I think your arguments are crap. I think you're a terrible reasoner. I say this not just to dig on you but to point out the real possibility that you're not that bright, and that perhaps many of your conclusions may be (are) wrong. The key point here is, this isn't just limited to the deductions and inferences you make about Bayes theorem or the Cosmological argument, it also afffects your ability to come to valid conclusions about the social world around you. I think many of your complaints are ultimately sourced there, in your inability to draw sound and robust conclusions about your social environment.

Perhaps there are a lot of people you've angered, and perhaps they have an active dislike of you. I'm not going to take a poll. But your theories about why this is, or why the people on this forum behave the way they do are much the same as your other theories. They're crap.

You're misinterpreting my flippancy for idiocy, but I forgive you for that because you can't possibly know me as well as some of the longer running members. You insulted me royally and I can't bring myself even after that to care enough to hate you. The fact that you made this thread stands as proof that you're an attention whore. The points I made previously are all I have to say about it.