Say, someone in this thread really appears to not understand the burden of proof.

So the Qur'an is true because the characters in it say so. They really did pull you from the bottom of the logical cesspool didn't they? Circular logic and tu quoque on the same page; that's an achievement.

Al, could you change the topic name...something with Blasphemy would do.

Giving little god a handjob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF5cpxyJqhw

(December 9, 2012 at 6:50 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Sorry but you are the delusional one, I almost pity Islam and it was once a scientific and peaceful (I use the term loosely), then it got hijacked by nutters like you and look at it now, is a pathetic illiterate shadow of it's former self. You so trapped by the delusions forced into your head when you were young it is sad. And it's a pity you will never know true reality. I almost feel sorry, almost.

Response: If only it was backed by evidence, then maybe you wouldn't appear illogical and deluded.

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(December 9, 2012 at 6:51 pm)Tobie Wrote: So the Qur'an is true because the characters in it say so. They really did pull you from the bottom of the logical cesspool didn't they? Circular logic and tu quoque on the same page; that's an achievement.

Response: In other words, the Qur'an is the true word of Allah, supported by your ducking and dodging to answer the challenge. Thanks for the clarification.

Somewhere around here is a letter signed by Santa and clearly marked "From the desk of S. Claus". There you go, evidence that the letter is the true word of Santa.

(December 9, 2012 at 6:47 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Seems all spectators would rather hear evidence that islam is true, after failing to prove the negativity of Muhammad is true. So we move on.

The evidence that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah is in the following:

"Will they not then meditate upon the Qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah they would surely have found therein much discrepancy."

Here we have test that demonstrates that there is no error in the Qur'an, showing the truthful nature of the Qur'an. If a person disagrees, then the individual can take up the challenge to find a discrepancy in the Qur’an and when the person discovers that there is no discrepancy, then the only logical conclusion that can be derived is that whomever the author of the Qur’an is, the individual is a truth teller and righteous because all of the content in the Qur’an is without error, indecency, and immorality. The question still remains as to who is the author? The Qur’an answers this question with the following test. The Qur’an states:

"And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah if you are truthful."

Here we have a test which proves that it is not humanly possible to produce a chapter like the Qur'an and proves so by challenging all of those who doubt so to prove so by trying to produce a chapter like the Qur'an. For when trying to produce a chapter like the Qur'an, the skeptic will learn first-hand that such a thing is humanly impossible to do.

But before the a skeptic develops the common response of simply producing something in Arabic or claiming that the challenge is not valid because not being able to produce a play like Shakespeare does not mean that the play is from God so the same analogy applies to the Qur'an, let me further elaborate. The Qur'an, like any scripture, is inspiration. And like any scripture, its intent is to inspire people to follow its teaching. Thus the challenge is to produce something that is as inspirational as the Qur'an, for it is the inspiration of the Qur'an that is miraculous. And what is that miracle? The miracle is within the following:

"It is humanly impossible for a person/s to inspire enough people to follow him/her to conquer a nation by using humanmande speech/literature that goes against the likes and beliefs of those people."

This is the miracle of Muhammad. For the challenge proves that it is humanly impossible to use any speech or literature that goes against the majority and is invented by a person/s, to inspire enough followers amongst them to conquer a nation. The skeptic still disagrees? Then take the challenge and prove differently. Try using a speech or literature that does not agree with the likes of a majority of people that is an invention by a person/s. Then use that very same speech to inspire them to conquer a nation and see what happens. The challenge can even be simplified by asking a skeptic to just conquer the street that he or she lives on and see what happens. Yet the person will fail and fail miserably. No person will come close to achieving the challenge. Any individual, when taking the challenge, will have a first-hand eyewitness account from experience and observation that such an act is humanly impossible and that is when the person will learn the miracle of Muhammad. Why? The reason is because Muhammad used the Qur'an to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation in the same fashion. So if it is humanly impossible to use speech or literature that goes against the likes of the masses to inspire them to follow a person/s and conquer a nation, yet Muhammad used the Qur'an to do just that, then what does that mean? That means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used is not the invention of any human but must come from a higher power and authority greater than humans, and that is Allah. Do the skeptics still disagree? Then take the challenge and prove differently. When the challengers fail, because they will, this will help to demonstrate that the Qur’an is of divine origin as proven by the scientific method itself because it provides a hands-on eyewitness account that producing something like the Qur’an is humanly impossible. If you read this, and you yourself disagrees, then take the challenge and prove differently.

Bullshit, its called human gullibility and with most people not knowing anything at that time, they take the first 'reasonable' answer. Ever notice the correlation between education and Reglion, higher the education the more bullshit we can replace with reality. That's why you don't teach woman as there will outgrow their barbaric husbands and reject the complete horrific bullshit forced into their mind since day dot.
You literally have nothing, no evidence, no facts supporting you and your piece of rip off bible book (which in turn is ripped of the Torah). You have no scientific value and everything you have has been falsified more than once and the stuff we can't falsify can be tested for. Also you have is a directive to kill or convert as may infidels for your cult. I would rather worship Megatron because he has more evidence for his existing than you 'prophet'.

(December 9, 2012 at 7:03 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Bullshit, its called human gullibility and with most people not knowing anything at that time, they take the first 'reasonable' answer. Ever notice the correlation between education and Reglion, higher the education the more bullshit we can replace with reality. That's why you don't teach woman as there will outgrow their barbaric husbands and reject the complete horrific bullshit forced into their mind since day dot.
You literally have nothing, no evidence, no facts supporting you and your piece of rip off bible book (which in turn is ripped of the Torah). You have no scientific value and everything you have has been falsified more than once and the stuff we can't falsify can be tested for. Also you have is a directive to kill or convert as may infidels to your for cult.

Response: Amusing. As expected, another person dodges the challenge for fear of being exosed of their delusion. For the challenge clearly states for YOU YOURSELF to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation, or even just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literatue that goes against the wants of a mass of people, as proof that such an act is humanly possible. So have you conquered a nation? NO. Have you conquered the street you live on? NO. Thus you've done absolutely nothing in answering the challenge and have been dodging it from the beginning. Thus your ducking and dodging to attempt the challenge once again confirms your denial to the fact that the qur'an is the true word of Allah.

Meanwhile, the qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah. Debunked as usual.

(December 9, 2012 at 6:56 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote:

(December 9, 2012 at 6:50 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Sorry but you are the delusional one, I almost pity Islam and it was once a scientific and peaceful (I use the term loosely), then it got hijacked by nutters like you and look at it now, is a pathetic illiterate shadow of it's former self. You so trapped by the delusions forced into your head when you were young it is sad. And it's a pity you will never know true reality. I almost feel sorry, almost.

Response: If only it was backed by evidence, then maybe you wouldn't appear illogical and deluded.

Sciences is working on it, now it's no longer as taboo. its all in your head.

Allaaaaaaahhhhhhh ahahhh.

(December 9, 2012 at 7:05 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote:

(December 9, 2012 at 7:03 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Bullshit, its called human gullibility and with most people not knowing anything at that time, they take the first 'reasonable' answer. Ever notice the correlation between education and Reglion, higher the education the more bullshit we can replace with reality. That's why you don't teach woman as there will outgrow their barbaric husbands and reject the complete horrific bullshit forced into their mind since day dot.
You literally have nothing, no evidence, no facts supporting you and your piece of rip off bible book (which in turn is ripped of the Torah). You have no scientific value and everything you have has been falsified more than once and the stuff we can't falsify can be tested for. Also you have is a directive to kill or convert as may infidels to your for cult.

Response: Amusing. As expected, another person dodges the challenge for fear of being exosed of their delusion. For the challenge clearly states for YOU YOURSELF to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation, or even just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literatue that goes against the wants of a mass of people, as proof that such an act is humanly possible. So have you conquered a nation? NO. Have you conquered the street you live on? NO. Thus you've done absolutely nothing in answering the challenge and have been dodging it from the beginning. Thus your ducking and dodging to attempt the challenge once again confirms your denial to the fact that the qur'an is the true word of Allah.

Meanwhile, the qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah. Debunked as usual.

Wow, just wow you could not do it today as people are too smart/in to their current believes for a new major religion to crop up, as science is slowly debunking everything, but back then I could have told them anything as long as it made 'logical' sense for that time. Today I would destroyed as a fake by the scientific community but it did not exist then. And the internet would also destroy and bullshit I sent I might get a small following but everybody else would have called bullshit.
Primitive stories for primitive minds that sound impressive but airnt, Mohammad would have been exposed as a faker and a fraud (if he exist) in weeks of trying to get its message out. Months maximum.