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Muhammad the perv
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Muhammad the perv
What do you think that in this topic we talk about Muhammad sexual perversions?

Today we could talk about necrophilia. Few years ago in a youtube video an Islamic cleric, Abd Al-Bari Al-Zamzami, that is very respected in the Muslim world (he is even member of the International Union of Muslim Scholars) said that although necrophilia is deplorable a wife's death does not sever her marital relations with her husband, she remains his wife post-mortem - The husband has the right to do whatever he wants with her - Having sex with your wife’s corpse is permitted but not commendable.

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He also says "Fatwas are not shaped according to one’s will or whim, rather they reflect the law of Allah, therefore I do not have the right to prohibit that act"

You see that "law of Allah", he is making a some undefined scriptural reference. That scripture could be from some of the hadith (biographies of Muhammad) like in hadith book of "Kanz Al Umal" where there is the following verse:
"I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I slept with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah's creatures to me after Abu Talib."

You can clearly see that Muhammad had sex with the dead woman - his aunt ("The prophet was referring to Fatima, the mother of Ali."). To no surprise because he is described as someone who had issues with women. As a he was abandoned by his mother. Then, as he was a dwarf, he faced constant rejection of women so that really pumped up his sexual repression.

But he was also obsessed with hell to which he thought was mainly populated by women. So he also had an excuse to have sex with dead women - he was saving them from hell.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Muhammad the perv
Meh. Necrophilia ain't a bit deal.

Wasn't Muhhamad a child molester? THAT is a big deal.

Necrophilia ain't a big deal.



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RE: Muhammad the perv
Well necrophila would be a big deal if you consider Muhammad to be ‘the perfect example to follow’, and ‘the epitome of human decency’.

But I agree pedophilia is much bigger deal and Muslims that acknowledge his pedophilia and continue to stay in the fold are just as guilty as their master.

Pedophilia is most widely known of Muhammad's sexual's perversions and Islamic traditions record it very good. Hadith go in detail with his grooming of a 9 year old wife Aisha, which started when she was only 6 years old:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64

And even before that he fantasized about Aisha when she was still a toddler.
https://muflihun.com/bukhari/87/140

If you read psychological papers about pedophiles it was probably because Muhammad was sexually abused as a child by either his grandfather, uncle or a close family relation since he was abandoned by his mother at the age of 6. Aisha was known to be his favorite spouse and he might have found an emotional connection to her because he himself was mentally immature.

And it's really disguising into which kind of details Hadith go into describing Muhammad engaged with a 9 year old child. Like in Sahih Bukhari 1:6:298 where he fondled the young girl during bath time and during the "menstruation" she was ordered to cover her genitals. But, of course, girls that young don't have periods so bleeding was probably a result of forced rape.

And Aisha wasn't the only child that Muhammad preyed on. Muhammad was not someone you would want around your kids because he could barely contain his sexual urges around children:
“I saw the prophet sucking on the tongue of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire).”
Musnad Ahmad 16245

So Muhammad also had homosexual tendencies, especially when other tribes had begun to notice Muhammad's hints towards homosexual pedophilia, and were shocked at his inappropriate behavior:
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:27
A bedouin came to the Prophet and said, "You (people) kiss the boys! We don't kiss them." The Prophet said, "I cannot put mercy in your heart after Allah has taken it away from it."
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Muhammad the perv
(June 2, 2018 at 6:14 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Well necrophila would be a big deal if you consider Muhammad to be ‘the perfect example to follow’, and ‘the epitome of human decency’.

WHAT! Are you saying there's something INDECENT about having sex with corpses?!?!?!? What are you CRAZY?!

Tongue

Quote:But I agree pedophilia is much bigger deal and Muslims that acknowledge his pedophilia and continue to stay in the fold are just as guilty as their master.

Pedophilia is most widely known of Muhammad's sexual's perversions and Islamic traditions record it very good. Hadith go in detail with his grooming of a 9 year old wife Aisha, which started when she was only 6 years old:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64

And even before that he fantasized about Aisha when she was still a toddler.
https://muflihun.com/bukhari/87/140

Indeed Muhammad is a sick fuck.
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RE: Muhammad the perv
I would look at what Quran has said about this first, then hadiths.
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RE: Muhammad the perv
(June 2, 2018 at 12:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I would look at what Quran has said about this first, then hadiths.

But, MK, for any Muslim to deny or criticize the Hadith would be a tremendous insult to the legacy of Persian scholar Bukhari's work and Islam.

But also I kind of get you: on one hand Hadith detail all of Muhammad's nefarious activities and bizarre eccentricities and thus give explicit instructions to Muslims on how they must emulate their master, but, on the other hand, if any Muslim were to conduct themselves like Muhammad (like masturbate, dress in female clothing, have gay sex), they would invariably be classified as an apostate - executed.

Altough even in Quran there is some of Muhammad's homosexual fantasies, like when he fatasized about young boys in heaven:
There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls.
Quran 76:19

And when we compare it to Hadith, like Al Hadis Vol. 4
There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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REW: Muhammad the perv
(June 3, 2018 at 4:27 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Altough even in Quran there is some of Muhammad's homosexual fantasies, like when he fatasized about young boys in heaven:
There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls.
Quran 76:19

I don't think that suggests pedophilia unless you put it in a context that is biased.
Without you writing the text I made bald; pedophilia would not be a part of this.

The Hadith is the source of your problem; not the Quran.
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RE: REW: Muhammad the perv
(June 3, 2018 at 5:24 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(June 3, 2018 at 4:27 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Altough even in Quran there is some of Muhammad's homosexual fantasies, like when he fatasized about young boys in heaven:
There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls.
Quran 76:19

I don't think that suggests pedophilia unless you put it in a context that is biased.
Without you writing the text I made bald; pedophilia would not be a part of this.

The Hadith is the source of your problem; not the Quran.

As a matter of biology, the concept of beauty seems inextricably bound to the evolution of sexual desire. So, while you may choose one interpretation over the other and seek to exclude any appearance of certain themes, the themes are likely necessarily there whether you choose to acknowledge them or not.
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RE: REW: Muhammad the perv
(June 3, 2018 at 7:51 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(June 3, 2018 at 5:24 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't think that suggests pedophilia unless you put it in a context that is biased.
Without you writing the text I made bald; pedophilia would not be a part of this.

The Hadith is the source of your problem; not the Quran.

As a matter of biology, the concept of beauty seems inextricably bound to the evolution of sexual desire.  So, while you may choose one interpretation over the other and seek to exclude any appearance of certain themes, the themes are likely necessarily there whether you choose to acknowledge them or not.

Eventually it always comes to you and to your own personal view. That is the fact that so many won't admit.
Excluding opinions is very natural, because experience itself is very natural. Eventually; both "experience" and the resultant "refusal or acceptance" are natural, and rights for us as humans. We have minds; and that's how minds work.

So are there "many truths"; or a single truth "and many perspectives"? I think it's a matter of perspective. Apply that to standards of beauty: it applies. We can always grow new perspectives or remove existing ones according to what we fill our minds with. That gets passed to the children, and the cycle goes on.
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Not sure that's a valid answer to the hermeneutic question.
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