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Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
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Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
I hold that the historical Jesus taught men about the imminent arrival of the Kingdom of God, that is, the Messianic Kingdom. Note here, that contrary to the Jesus Seminar and Funk, the historical Jesus did not think in terms of a "spiritual kingdom," but rather thought in terms of a material kingdom and in this sense subscribed to the common and traditional belief. I take the references to the royal "Son of God" recalls Psalm 2, likely a coronation Psalm in which subjected peoples are warned not to rebel or such would be swiftly and soundly punished. With Matthew's "Kingdom of the Heavens," we see a trend toward spiritualizing a presupposed material concept of the kingdom, due to the former failing to be realized. Thus the Christian adjustment that the kingdom of God was "within you" and the innovative distinction between a first and second coming of the Lord, shares the same concern. In so doing, they created the "Church Age" dispensation, in which the Gospel was to be preached to the entire world before the "second" coming would occur.

Acts 1:6 So when they had gathered together, they began to ask him, “Lord, is this the time when you are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 1:7 He told them, “You are not permitted to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.”

This interpretation of the development of the notion of the Kingdom of God is made quite clear in the above text. So, I think it is probable that the material restoration of the "kingdom to Israel," was one that Jesus held and that here is being reinterpreted just as Matthew reinterprets it. Of course, this goes very much to the question of whether the historical Jesus was apocalyptic or not. In the context of historical Jesus research, this question is fundamental, and what the Jesus Seminar seems to agree upon ahead of time, was and tendenz toward a non-apocalyptic Jesus, very much aimed against Schweitzer's position. However, there are members who maintained an apocalyptic Jesus such as Luedemann, who thought he was an non-Messianic apocalyptic prophet.

If it is probable that Jesus did regard himself as the Messiah, confirmed by the Baptizer, that his Kingdom of God implies that he was the Messiah or King of said Kingdom. I think that there is a bias in play here that, due to religious dogmatism and politics, many are not wont to admit that Jesus did claim to be the Messiah because a notion of a material Messianic age was not realized and Jesus was wrong about himself and the imminent coming of the Kingdom. Who can face that Jesus was so fundamentally wrong? Hence, the interpretation of the historical data is biased to argue that Jesus made a messianic claim that was decidedly proven by history.

As you know, it is most probable that the historical Jesus favored the circumlocution, "Son of Man." I have also argued that it was not at all expedient that if he did think that he was the Messiah, it would only make political sense that this claim remain oblique. Thus I think that the phase was intended as a double entendre, by which he could at once say, in the third person, that he was both a "mere mortal" but paradoxically, also the apocalyptic "son of man" known especially from Daniel 7:13f.

This accords with the likely historical Jesus who taught in parables regarding the Kingdom of God. His messianic secret thus has a historical origin and is politically informed and realistic. For these reasons, I do not think that a messianic claim was a later development in which a bogus claim was imposed upon Jesus by his disciples. There is also the saying that "something greater than Solomon is here." I interpret that Jesus' reference to Solomon rests upon a historical Jesus who saw in Solomon a synthesis of sagacity and messianic royalty, which Jesus thought he himself possess to an even greater degree. In this way, he implied a messianic, historical self-identity.

Again, the texts that portray Jesus as possessing a messianic consciousness is both historical and non-fictional, not an invention of the church. As I said, I reject a certain kind of academic, Wrede-istic "bias" that the historical Jesus did not possess a messianic self-consciousness. I call this a "bias" because I think that it reflects are certain conflict between a certain dichotomy between secular intellectuals and Christian fideists.



Certainly, the Jesus Seminar was correct to include GTh in its consideration regarding the authentic sayings of Jesus. Hence Funk's title, "The Five Gospels." However, there is another question as to whether the particular implication of a non-historical Jesus can be argued from its quasi-gnostic point of view. That these texts do not share in a Jewish, messianic apocalypticism cannot be used to argue that the historical Jesus was therefore not apocalyptic. At best, it can only be noted as supporting, not definitive, evidence. This would be like claiming that the Johannine quasi-gnostic perspective argues against the historical Jesus. So I find your particular slant here not to be germane and hardly addresses my arguments that Jesus is portrayed as an Aristotlean tragic hero that I have argued in some detail, and which of course you are compelled to meet. Allow me to summarize my argument that Jesus in the PN is portrayed as an Aristotlean tragic hero.

First there are the literary-critical arguments regarding the composition of the Gospel of Mark.

- Literary criticism, or more specifically, composition criticism, is a valid and necessary method of historical exegesis. There is not doubt that ancient literature in general, and biblical literature in general, are often not unified compositions. To the contrary, both Old and Testament literature exhibits many examples where redactional modifications have been made to many texts, on the level of textual variants up to redactional conflations and expansions, be they major, as in the composition of the Pentateuch, or minor, as in the generation of certain textual variants. And such redactional manipulation is in evidence for example in the Josephus text that mentions the Christ where it is probable that certain interpolations were introduced. I should think that I hardly need to argue this point.

- I have advanced, I think, a fairly extensive argument regarding the compositional development of the Gospel of Mark. That the gospel shows clear evidence of textual insertions seems most obvious from several examples I have offered.

[center]Markan expansions of pMark[/center]

1) The insertion of the story of John the Baptizer's death:

6:7 And He summoned the twelve and began to send them out in pairs, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits ; 8 and He instructed them that they should take nothing for their journey, except a mere staff -no bread, no bag, no money in their belt - 9 but to wear sandals ; and He added, "Do not put on two tunics." 10 And He said to them, "Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave town. 11 "Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them." 12 They went out and preached that men should repent. 13 And they were casting out many demons and were anointing with oil many sick people and healing them.

14 And King Herod heard of it, for His name had become well known ; and people were saying, "John the Baptist has risen from the dead, and that is why these miraculous powers are at work in Him." 15 But others were saying, "He is Elijah." And others were saying, "He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old." 16 But when Herod heard of it, he kept saying, "John, whom I beheaded, has risen !" 17 For Herod himself had sent and had John arrested and bound in prison on account of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip, because he had married her. 18 For John had been saying to Herod, "It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife." 19 Herodias had a grudge against him and wanted to put him to death and could not do so; 20 for Herod was afraid of John, knowing that he was a righteous and holy man, and he kept him safe. And when he heard him, he was very perplexed ; but he used to enjoy listening to him. 21 A strategic day came when Herod on his birthday gave a banquet for his lords and military commanders and the leading men of Galilee ; 22 and when the daughter of Herodias herself came in and danced, she pleased Herod and his dinner guests ; and the king said to the girl, "Ask me for whatever you want and I will give it to you." 23 And he swore to her, "Whatever you ask of me, I will give it to you; up to half of my kingdom." 24 And she went out and said to her mother, "What shall I ask for?" And she said, "The head of John the Baptist." 25 Immediately she came in a hurry to the king and asked, saying, "I want you to give me at once the head of John the Baptist on a platter." 26 And although the king was very sorry, yet because of his oaths and because of his dinner guests, he was unwilling to refuse her. 27 Immediately the king sent an executioner and commanded him to bring back his head. And he went and had him beheaded in the prison, 28 and brought his head on a platter, and gave it to the girl ; and the girl gave it to her mother. 29 When his disciples heard about this, they came and took away his body and laid it in a tomb.

30 The apostles gathered together with Jesus ; and they reported to Him all that they had done and taught.

2) Jesus' family comes to get him because he seems unbalanced:

3:20 And He came home, and the crowd gathered again, to such an extent that they could not even eat a meal. 21 When His own people heard of this, they went out to take custody of Him; for they were saying, "He has lost His senses."

22 The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and "He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons." 23 And He called them to Himself and began speaking to them in parables, "How can Satan cast out Satan ? 24 "If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26 "If Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but he is finished ! 27 "But no one can enter the strong man's house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house. 28 "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter ; 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin "- 30 because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."

31 Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him. 32 A crowd was sitting around Him, and they said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You." 33 Answering them, He said, "Who are My mother and My brothers ?" 34 Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers ! 35 "For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother."

3) Jesus' assertion about an unknown exorcist:

9:33 They came to Capernaum ; and when He was in the house, He began to question them, "What were you discussing on the way ?" 34 But they kept silent, for on the way they had discussed with one another which of them was the greatest. 35 Sitting down, He called the twelve and said to them, "If anyone wants to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all." 36 Taking a child, He set him before them, and taking him in His arms, He said to them, 37 "Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me does not receive Me, but Him who sent Me."

38 John said to Him, "Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us." 39 But Jesus said, "Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. 40 "For he who is not against us is for us. 41 "For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his reward.

42 "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea.

4) Fasting

2:18 John's disciples and the Pharisees were fasting ; and they came and said to Him, "Why do John's disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but Your disciples do not fast ?" 19 And Jesus said to them
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"While the bridegroom is with them, the attendants of the bridegroom cannot fast, can they? So long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. 20 "But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in that day.

21 "No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment ; otherwise the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results. 22 "No one puts new wine into old wineskins ; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins."

5) Anointing

14:1 Now the Passover and Unleavened Bread were two days away ; and the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to seize Him by stealth and kill Him; 2 for they were saying, "Not during the festival, otherwise there might be a riot of the people."

3 While He was in Bethany at the home of Simon the leper, and reclining at the table, there came a woman with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume of pure nard ; and she broke the vial and poured it over His head. 4 But some were indignantly remarking to one another, "Why has this perfume been wasted ? 5 "For this perfume might have been sold for over three hundred denarii, and the money given to the poor." And they were scolding her. 6 But Jesus said, "Let her alone ; why do you bother her? She has done a good deed to Me. 7 "For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you wish you can do good to them; but you do not always have Me. 8 "She has done what she could ; she has anointed My body beforehand for the burial. 9 "Truly I say to you, wherever the gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be spoken of in memory of her."

14:10 Then Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve, went off to the chief priests in order to betray Him to them. 11 They were glad when they heard this, and promised to give him money. And he began seeking how to betray Him at an opportune time.

6) Peter's Denials (a)

14:53 They led Jesus away to the high priest ; and all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes gathered together.

14:54 Peter had followed Him at a distance, right into the courtyard of the high priest ; and he was sitting with the officers and warming himself at the fire.

14:55 Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, and they were not finding any. 56 For many were giving false testimony against Him, but their testimony was not consistent. 57 Some stood up and began to give false testimony against Him, saying, 58 "We heard Him say, 'I will destroy this temple made with hands, and in three days I will build another made without hands.' " 59 Not even in this respect was their testimony consistent. 60 The high priest stood up and came forward and questioned Jesus, saying, "Do You not answer ? What is it that these men are testifying against You?" 61 But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" 62 And Jesus said, "I am ; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." 63 Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, "What further need do we have of witnesses ? 64 "You have heard the blasphemy ; how does it seem to you?" And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death. 65 Some began to spit at Him, and to blindfold Him, and to beat Him with their fists, and to say to Him, "Prophesy !" And the officers received Him with slaps in the face.

7) Peter's Denials (b), Jesus before Pilate, Pilate's release of Barrabbas

66 As Peter was below in the courtyard, one of the servant-girls of the high priest came, 67 and seeing Peter warming himself, she looked at him and said, "You also were with Jesus the Nazarene." 68 But he denied it, saying, "I neither know nor understand what you are talking about." And he went out onto the porch. and a rooster crowed.#2871 69 The servant-girl saw him, and began once more to say to the bystanders, "This is one of them!" 70 But again he denied it. And after a little while the bystanders were again saying to Peter, "Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean too." 71 But he began to curse and swear, "I do not know this man you are talking about!" 72 Immediately a rooster crowed a second time. And Peter remembered how Jesus had made the remark to him, "Before a rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times." And he began to weep.

15:1 Early in the morning the chief priests with the elders and scribes and the whole Council, immediately held a consultation ; and binding Jesus, they led Him away and delivered Him to Pilate. 2 Pilate questioned Him, "Are You the King of the Jews ?" And He answered him, "It is as you say." 3 The chief priests began to accuse Him harshly. 4 Then Pilate questioned Him again, saying, "Do You not answer ? See how many charges they bring against You!" 5 But Jesus made no further answer.

6 Now at the feast he used to release for them any one prisoner whom they requested. 7 The man named Barabbas had been imprisoned with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the insurrection. 8 The crowd went up and began asking him to do as he had been accustomed to do for them. 9 Pilate answered them, saying, "Do you want me to release for you the King of the Jews ?" 10 For he was aware that the chief priests had handed Him over because of envy. 11 But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to ask him to release Barabbas for them instead. 12 Answering again, Pilate said to them, "Then what shall I do with Him whom you call the King of the Jews ?" 13 They shouted back, "Crucify Him!" 14 But Pilate said to them, "Why, what evil has He done ?" But they shouted all the more, "Crucify Him!" 15 Wishing to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas for them, and after having Jesus scourged, he handed Him over to be crucified.

16 The soldiers took Him away into the palace (that is, the Praetorium ), and they called together the whole Roman cohort. 17 They dressed Him up in purple, and after twisting a crown of thorns, they put it on Him; 18 and they began to acclaim Him, "Hail, King of the Jews !" 19 They kept beating His head with a reed, and spitting on Him, and kneeling and bowing before Him. 20 After they had mocked Him, they took the purple robe off Him and put His own garments on Him. And they led Him out to crucify Him. 21 They pressed into service a passer-by coming from the country, Simon of Cyrene (the father of Alexander and Rufus ), to bear His cross.

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In this way, I confirm the thesis of a pMark, or the redacted presence of an earlier, underlying version of the gospel. I have also argued, on stylistic grounds, for the independent existence of the Passion Narrative whose scope extends from Mark 14:1-15:39*. In particular, I have argued that it did indeed conclude in 15:39, and did not include the episodes to the burial and empty tomb. This demarcation is critical to my interpretation of the PN as an Aristotelian tragedy.

I have, or can advance, arguments that the Gospel of Mark underwent the following compositional stages.

1) an eye-witness report of the centurion
2) the composition of the PN
3) the uniting of originally independent pericopae with the PN by pMark to serve as an extended introduction to the PN. So the motto that Mark is "a passion narrative with an introduction." This is exactly correct.
4) a Markan final redaction providing the ad-quem dating for the compositional development of the Gospel (c. 70 BCE).

That the Passion Narrative has received expansions is the common critical view. For defense of this claim, see:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/pa...young.html

Note also the consensus that the PN is dated somewhere between 30-60 CE. It is certainly a pre-Markan dating as a Markan redaction presupposes an earlier pMark.

We then come to the place of interpreting the probable original PN. Here, of course, a deliberate redaction-critical argument needs to be made and assessed. Let me here just say that the original PN contained no fantastic elements such as the fulfillment of prophecies based on Psalm 22, the supernatural darkness, or the miraculous renting of the temple veil. These too are Markan additons. Rather than going into my literary arguments concerning Mark's additions to the PN, I will simply present the results of what I think constituted it:

The Passion Narrative

14:1 Now the Passover and Unleavened Bread were two days away ; and the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to seize Him by stealth and kill Him; 2 for they were saying, "Not during the festival, otherwise there might be a riot of the people."

10 Then Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve, went off to the chief priests in order to betray Him to them. 11 They were glad when they heard this, and promised to give him money. And he began seeking how to betray Him at an opportune time.

[No pMark arrest episode. Replaced by Mark's own]

53 They led Jesus away to the high priest ; and all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes gathered together.

Jesus before His Accusers

55 Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, and they were not finding any. 56 For many were giving false testimony against Him, but their testimony was not consistent. The high priest was questioning Him, and said to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" 62 And Jesus said, "I am ; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."
63 Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, "What further need do we have of witnesses ? 64 "You have heard the blasphemy ; how does it seem to you?" And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death. 65 Some began to spit at Him, and to blindfold Him, and to beat Him with their fists, and to say to Him, "Prophesy !" And the officers received Him with slaps in the face.

Jesus Is Mocked

15:16 The soldiers took Him away into the palace (that is, the Praetorium), and they called together the whole Roman cohort. 17 They dressed Him up in purple, and after twisting a crown of thorns, they put it on Him; 18 and they began to acclaim Him, "Hail, King of the Jews !" 19 They kept beating His head with a reed, and spitting on Him, and kneeling and bowing before Him. 20 After they had mocked Him, they took the purple robe off Him and put His own garments on Him. And they led Him out to crucify Him. 21 They pressed into service a passer-by coming from the country, Simon of Cyrene (the father of Alexander and Rufus ), to bear His cross.

The Crucifixion

22 Then they brought Him to the place Golgotha, which is translated, Place of a Skull. 23 They tried to give Him wine mixed with myrrh ; but He did not take it. 25 It was the third hour when they crucified Him. 26 The inscription of the charge against Him read, "THE KING OF THE JEWS." 27 They crucified two robbers with Him, one on His right and one on His left. The chief priests along with the scribes, were mocking Him among themselves and saying, "He delivered others ; He cannot deliver Himself. 32 "Let this Christ, the King of Israel, now come down from the cross, so that we may see and believe !" Those who were crucified with Him were also insulting Him.

34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI ?" which is translated, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?" 35 When some of the bystanders heard it, they began saying, "Behold, He is calling for Elijah." 36 Someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink, [but the rest said], "Let us see whether Elijah will come to take Him down."

37 And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed His last. 39 When the centurion, who was standing right in front of Him, saw the way He breathed His last, he said, "Truly this man was a son of a god."

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RE: Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
I'd still like to know what you mean by the term "historical jesus."
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RE: Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
I'd like to know what he means by "imminent" in the context of "the return of the Kingdom of God". Two thousand years and counting...
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
I'd like to know why he thinks the historical Jesus only taught men about the Kingdom.
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RE: Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
How do you explain the Messianic prophecy in Isaiah 53?
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RE: Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
That isn't a bad question either.
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RE: Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
Great another hit-and-run post. Let me guess as soon as I ask the simplest question of the OP he'll disappear until his next thread. Do us a favour, if you aren't willing to discuss and argue for your argument on here don't bother posting it to begin with!
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RE: Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
(December 18, 2012 at 10:25 pm)Jesus.of.Nazareth Wrote: I hold that the historical Jesus taught men about the imminent arrival of the Kingdom of God, that is, the Messianic Kingdom. Note here, that contrary to the Jesus Seminar and Funk, the historical Jesus did not think in terms of a "spiritual kingdom," but rather thought in terms of a material kingdom and in this sense subscribed to the common and traditional belief. I take the references to the royal "Son of God" recalls Psalm 2, likely a coronation Psalm in which subjected peoples are warned not to rebel or such would be swiftly and soundly punished. With Matthew's "Kingdom of the Heavens," we see a trend toward spiritualizing a presupposed material concept of the kingdom, due to the former failing to be realized. Thus the Christian adjustment that the kingdom of God was "within you" and the innovative distinction between a first and second coming of the Lord, shares the same concern. In so doing, they created the "Church Age" dispensation, in which the Gospel was to be preached to the entire world before the "second" coming would occur.
Okay, let's start here. Psalm 2, a prophetic Psalm.
  • Psalm 2:7-9:
    7. I will tell of the decree:
    The Lord said to me, “You are my Son;
    today I have begotten you.
    8. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage,
    and the ends of the earth your possession.
    9. You shall break them with a rod of iron
    and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.”
Why you, a sceptic, would bring this up is beyond me.
  • Ps 2:7 --> Mark 1:11: And a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”
  • Ps 2:8 --> Mark 1:21-28: And they went into Capernaum, and immediately on the Sabbath he entered the synagogue and was teaching. And they were astonished at his teaching, for he taught them as one who had authority, and not as the scribes. And immediately there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit. And he cried out, “What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God.” But Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be silent, and come out of him!” And the unclean spirit, convulsing him and crying out with a loud voice, came out of him. And they were all amazed, so that they questioned among themselves, saying, “What is this? A new teaching with authority! He commands even the unclean spirits, and they obey him.” And at once his fame spread everywhere throughout all the surrounding region of Galilee.
  • Ps 2:9 see Revelation 2:27, 12:5, 19:15.
  • Psalm 2:10-12:
    Now therefore, O kings, be wise;
    be warned, O rulers of the earth.
    Serve the Lord with fear,
    and rejoice with trembling.
    Kiss the Son,
    lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,
    for his wrath is quickly kindled.
    Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
Now let's look at the last part here of Psalm 2:12...
  • Matthew 11:29-30: Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
  • Matt 11:27-28 (also in reference to Psalm 2:8): All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
  • Mark 1:29-34: And immediately he left the synagogue and entered the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John. Now Simon's mother-in-law lay ill with a fever, and immediately they told him about her. And he came and took her by the hand and lifted her up, and the fever left her, and she began to serve them.
    That evening at sundown they brought to him all who were sick or oppressed by demons. And the whole city was gathered together at the door. And he healed many who were sick with various diseases, and cast out many demons. And he would not permit the demons to speak, because they knew him.
  • John 14:6-7: Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
  • Mark 13:13: And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
  • Mark 8:38: For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
  • Matthew 10:32-33: So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
  • Mark 8:38: For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
  • John 5:36-37: But the testimony that I have is greater than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to accomplish, the very works that I am doing, bear witness about me that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen,
  • John 6:35-40: Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
  • John 6:44-48: No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me—not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life.
  • John 10:17-18: For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
  • John 16:23: In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you.
We could go on and on and on like this.
  • Daniel 7:13-14: “I saw in the night visions,
    and behold, with the clouds of heaven
    there came one like a son of man,
    and he came to the Ancient of Days
    and was presented before him.
    14. And to him was given dominion
    and glory and a kingdom,
    that all peoples, nations, and languages
    should serve him;
    his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
    which shall not pass away,
    and his kingdom one
    that shall not be destroyed.
So...
  • Mark 2:10: But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic—
  • Mark 2:28: So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”
  • Mark 8:31: And he began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again.
  • Mark 8:38: For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
  • Mark 9:9: And as they were coming down the mountain, he charged them to tell no one what they had seen, until the Son of Man had risen from the dead.
  • Mark 9:12: And he said to them, “Elijah does come first to restore all things. And how is it written of the Son of Man that he should suffer many things and be treated with contempt?
  • Mark 9:31: for he was teaching his disciples, saying to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill him. And when he is killed, after three days he will rise.”
  • Mark 10:33: saying, “See, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the scribes, and they will condemn him to death and deliver him over to the Gentiles.
  • Mark 10:45: For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
  • Mark 13:26: And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
  • Mark 14:21: For the Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
  • Mark 14:41: And he came the third time and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and taking your rest? It is enough; the hour has come. The Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
Jesus makes it clear that the Kingdom of God is in the afterlife. And he is consistent on it.
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RE: Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
I hate the title of the thread, to me this vernacular, "Compositional anaylsis". If we all know holy books are mere comic books do not fuel the believer by using such implied academic phrases.

Why do we need a fancy way of saying we are merely doing a book review, especially one that is no better or real than Batman or Superman?

Language is a code, and while we can and should have a more elevated way of communication than "See Spot Run", I find it better to talk in laymens terms when it comes to holy books and simply call them what they are. You don't need to get past even the first page of the bible to know it is a myth.

So as far as my review of Mark, it deserves no more special weight than any other book in the bible. A person back then wrote some shit, probably believed it, copied the ideas from other writers, added and subtracted shit, and successfully marketed it.

Ultimately there was no magic baby or magical death. There were people who wrote shit and sold it because they wanted it to be true.
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RE: Compositional anaylsis of the Gospel of Mark
(December 19, 2012 at 8:52 am)Brian37 Wrote: A person back then wrote some shit, probably believed it, copied the ideas from other writers, added and subtracted shit, and successfully marketed it.

Ultimately there was no magic baby or magical death. There were people who wrote shit and sold it because they wanted it to be true.
Note: the people who wrote the thing may not have been the same who marketed it.
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