(December 18, 2012 at 11:22 am)Shell B Wrote:

(December 18, 2012 at 8:59 am)Kousbroek Wrote: What a load of crap.
Civilians armed with hand weapons won't stop a government from becoming corrupt.
We need armed police and army because the world isn't perfect, another stupid remark.
And if we checked mommy better would that have prevented this horrible tragedy ?
Another utterly stupid assumption, the only way to prevent people from shooting each other is by getting rid of weapons.

Speaking of stupid . . . if the government has weapons, people will still get shot. Also, you can replace armed police in your argument with civilians and have the same argument for the opposition. Do try harder, little kousdouche.

I thought i made it clear that i don't like the unnecessary name calling and TGAC is right, most of the time you have no argument whatsoever just a foul mouth and a bad attitude ... way to go you silly girl .

(December 18, 2012 at 11:22 am)Shell B Wrote: Speaking of stupid . . . if the government has weapons, people will still get shot. Also, you can replace armed police in your argument with civilians and have the same argument for the opposition. Do try harder, little kousdouche.

Um, that's exactly right... why do you think that tasers are currently controversial in Australia (I personally think police should not have them), and in the UK police don't carry guns at all?

Allow me to offer you all a fitting peace offering that I think will put an end to all these ugly hostilities.

Wow, I wish everyone in the middle east had a gun like that! Is it too late for Santa to add them to this year's deliveries?

(December 21, 2012 at 2:30 am)Aractus Wrote: in the UK police don't carry guns at all?

Only when necessary. The average police man on the street doesn't need a gun. If there is a situation that requires for police to be armed then they call in specialised units.

(December 21, 2012 at 12:18 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(December 21, 2012 at 2:30 am)Aractus Wrote: in the UK police don't carry guns at all?

Only when necessary. The average police man on the street doesn't need a gun. If there is a situation that requires for police to be armed then they call in specialised units.

Yeah, it is good like this. I don't want every pig on the street with a gun... I just wouldn't feel safe. When I see armed police here I feel a bit uneasy... I don't know why, it isn't like they are going to shoot me. I guess I am just not used to being around things that are pretty much just meant for killing.

(December 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm)Kousbroek Wrote: I thought i made it clear that i don't like the unnecessary name calling and TGAC is right, most of the time you have no argument whatsoever just a foul mouth and a bad attitude ... way to go you silly girl .

So, it is okay to call me a silly girl, but I can't use a swear without you being a giant fucking fucktastic douchetank of a twatlicker about it? I don't give a flying fuck if you think I have a bad attitude. You're fucking stupid. I would take being bright and mean over being a stupid cuntwaffle with a gender complex anyday, shit for brains.

Oh, and happy holidays.

I am tired of gun nuts saying gun death is not a problem. I am tired of them pointing out other problems that cause death as an excuse to do nothing about guns. PLEASE FUCK OFF!

2O kids and 6 adults died because of use of a gun. 32 people a DAY 365 days a year DIE as a result of use of a gun.

I really wish we could send all the John Wayne Dirty Harry gun nuts and let them have their own nation. This is not the days of muskets or Chuck wagons with horses. You are not Wyat Erp and this isn't the OK corral.

No fucking gun huger is going to be able to go up to MOST family members of ANY TYPE of gun death and say, "Sure, the status quo is fine".

2O kids and 6 adults died because -someone committed a crime-

Fixed that for you. The status quo is not fine. We have, in actuality, a robust set of federal and state gun laws that are woefully under-enforced (some of them are such that the mind reels as to how they might be enforced without results as equally terrifying as a mass shooting from an entirely different angle). There are many many people in this country- so many, in fact, that a goodly number are bound to be mouth-breathing and or batshit crazy jackasses with access to guns. So long as there are human beings and laws crimes will be committed. If you have even a minor inclination that a method of -proactively preventing a crime- would be a universally positive strategy then I implore you to pick up some good sci-fi and take a read. Start with Philip K Dick (who wrote an entire novel about this very inclination and how it could so easily go horribly awry). Personally, I think that as horrible as it sounds, we might actually have to wait until a person has committed a crime before we leverage legal process to strip them of rights by way of a justification from crime.

Apologies if this has been posted before, but I only saw it today and thought it relevant for discussion. I agree 100% with what Penn Jillette is saying here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Lw7xa6lHU

I especially liked the fact that one of the women says that if the shooter only had a handgun, he would have only been able to kill two people, despite the fact that the worst school shooting in the US was carried out by a single guy with handguns.