(January 6, 2013 at 11:12 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(January 6, 2013 at 11:09 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: God can do anything.

Can he make himself not exist?

Doesn't have to.

(January 7, 2013 at 6:47 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote:

(January 7, 2013 at 6:33 pm)HalcyonicTrust Wrote: K. Let's just leave it at "it's up to the person"

I was being subjective anyway by the way

You're always being subjective, everything is. You know that.

It remains that, mathematically, your chances of survival or lifting would be better fitted to spells designed for the task.

Everything is? The, actuality of, "everything" is every thing that necessarily exists as an object of something outside of the mind and or the object of something inside of the mind. That's objective.

The concept of "everything", is subjective and so are many other things, but the logical fact that everything that is, exists as some object, objectively, whether inside or outside of a mind or both, is an objective fact.

(January 8, 2013 at 4:09 pm)HalcyonicTrust Wrote: Everything is? The, actuality of, "everything" is every thing that necessarily exists as an object of something outside of the mind and or the object of something inside of the mind. That's objective.

Everything is subjective. Everything is also objective. Multiple definitions, buddy

Quote:The concept of "everything", is subjective and so are many other things, but the logical fact that everything that is, exists as some object, objectively, whether inside or outside of a mind or both, is an objective fact.

Everything is subjective. Your experience of having a mind is subjective. That which you believe to be a mind is nothing, something, everything: all at once.

With or without the existence of subjectivity, whatever exists, necessarily exists as some thing, an object, whether outside, or inside, a mind - that's objective.

The concept of the law of identity, A=A, in logic, is indeed subjective.

But the actuality of the law of identity, the fact that whatever exists really does exist as something, and that's some thing, an object, whether just objectively or also containing a mind, and containing subjectivity therefore, is a fact is a fact is a fact, and a logical one, and that's objective.

(January 8, 2013 at 4:24 pm)HalcyonicTrust Wrote: With or without the existence of subjectivity, whatever exists, necessarily exists as some thing, an object, whether outside, or inside, a mind - that's objective.

The concept of the law of identity, A=A, in logic, is indeed subjective.

Logic is subjective. It works for everything we can perceive... but that's just the thing... we do not see all. Or maybe we do.

Quote:But the actuality of the law of identity, the fact that whatever exists really does exist as something, and that's some thing, an object, whether just objectively or also containing a mind, and containing subjectivity therefore, is a fact is a fact is a fact, and a logical one, and that's objective.

A fact is is subjective. Knowing what things are objectively is to be wrong every time.

Or maybe not?

Yeah, I mean, fuck my seriousness, whether I'm right or wrong is totally irrelevant to the fun of life, unless we actually give a shit about our stupid fucking egos! And of course *I* don't give a shit because I care about humility and that's why I called "egos", "stupid fucking" egos, I mean, I don't swear for fun now do I?! do I!!

Do I?

No.

(Oh, but I'm totally right about objectivity by the way).

Anyway, change subject?

I mean everything is subjective. And no, you're not totally right. Perhaps XD

Ready when you are~

Dragons are really quite delicious, best served with rattlesnake meat

(January 8, 2013 at 1:59 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Preachy, atheist counter-apologetics.

Even if that's true, it does nothing to change the fact that your position continue to suffer from your beliefs being absolutely fucking ridiculous. Nothing we say has any effect on that.

(January 8, 2013 at 2:56 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:

(January 7, 2013 at 9:05 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: That is what atheists here are doing right? Telling us foolish theists all about the way things are. (Preachy, atheist counter-apologetics.)

I can't tell if you're being satirical or not.

The purpose of apologetics is to defend a position. Atheism is technically not a position, it makes no claims, its not a world-view, there's nothing to defend, it barely qualifies as an "ism".

It's only an 'ism' in the same way metabolism is, it's a condition: the condition of not being a theist.