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Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 9, 2014 at 8:02 pm
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There is the computer, if we lived in at middle ages, the computer is very illogical to a thinker by that time, but you see it's real and we are using it to post here.
How can you still disprove an illogical entity like God despite this idea?
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 9, 2014 at 8:06 pm
Yep... It is true: illogical things exist... like your post!
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 9, 2014 at 8:08 pm
Uhhhhh... what?
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 9, 2014 at 8:15 pm
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 9, 2014 at 8:31 pm
Debunking reasons given for God's existence != disproving the existence of God.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 9, 2014 at 8:35 pm
(January 9, 2014 at 8:02 pm)orlox Wrote: There is the computer, if we lived in at middle ages, the computer is very illogical to a thinker by that time, but you see it's real and we are using it to post here.
How can you still disprove an illogical entity like God despite this idea?
a computer back then was illogical but over TIME, it has become real, for centuries the concept of gods has come to be and idea and is STILL and idea, it has not been proven with valid evidence, therefore, your argument isnt valid.
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it isn't in our nature to think of a God, it is in our nature to seek answers and the concept of God is most influenced in this world.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 9, 2014 at 8:50 pm
The OP is a load of Orlox.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 9, 2014 at 10:44 pm
A computer wouldn't be illogical in the Middle Ages, it wouldn't have been understood. They didn't understand the Solar System at the time either, would they have claimed it was illogical at that time too?
Anyway, I think saying that illogical things can exist is very easily shown to be false. In logic (especially classical logic), there is a principle called the law of identity (A=A, that is, A is A). In other words, something is itself. One derivation the law of identity is the law of noncontradiction (A != !A, that is, A is not Not-A). In other words, something cannot be itself and not itself at the same time, in the same way. These laws in particular are self-evident laws that cannot be made false, since denying them necessitates assuming them to be true beforehand.
Anywayl the point is that these "laws" are ways we linguistically and mentally describe the necessary facts of reality, and they are the foundation of most logical systems (dialethetic frameworks can deny the law of noncontradiction). Given they self-evidently affirm the necessary facts of reality, obviously illogical things (by which I assume you must mean things which would have to violate these laws) cannot exist if they apply to all real things.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 10, 2014 at 4:19 am
meh.
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RE: Illogical things can be real, like God, I have an idea
January 10, 2014 at 4:55 am
I suppose that illogical things exist (although nothing springs to mind at the moment), but what cannot exist is a thing that is itself and its opposite at the same time. For example, we don't have married bachelors or cubical spheres.
This is the case with God. God cannot exist while at the same time being merciful and just, wrathful and omniscient, etc.
For the record, here's a medieval computer:
Boru
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