(January 17, 2013 at 7:46 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(January 17, 2013 at 5:38 pm)Dee Dee Ramone Wrote: Right. Now tell me, why is that the typical whining rightwing gnomes hate Obama so much?

Because Obama and the typical whining leftwing storm troopers act like this so much.

(Nazi and KKK images cut for brevity).
To A Theist:
Y'know, recently I was appointed to my city council to fill the unexpired term of my neighbour, who died after thirty years service on the board.
I am relatively new in town (less than two years).
In that time, my wife and I fought the Post Office for months to save our local office (successfully), founded a library friends organisation to support our public library in this town of 128, chased off a burglar at the Lutheran Church across the street in the middle of the night with a dog, started a children's homework help programme, and many other things.
I think you mischaracterise Nazis (fascists), the KKK (bigoted theocrats), and President Obama (a capitalist Constitutional lawyer).

I live in the most religious state outside the Bible Belt (Nebraska). I am a real open socialist. (I support publicly funded things like the military, roads, infrastructure to allow capitalistic commerce and public travel, health care for all, you know, those socialistic things that the government "redistributes wealth" for.)

I edit erotic Romance novels for pocket money. I belong to a third party political party (the Modern Whigs, originally founded by active duty and veterans sick of politicians scoring points with the public on religion and warfare). I am a disabled Navy veteran of seventeen years service, an atheist in a foxhole (well, on ships anyway).

I am openly atheist in a village which has only one other: my wife. I write letters to the local newspaper on the pernicious decline of the separation of church and state, which protects churches just as much as it does government.

And you know what? Of five candidates for the seat, I was unanimously selected by the village. The Chairman noted publicly that I was the "least divisive candidate" for the seat. The other all lived here for many years and are good, God-fearing, honest folk, but who actually never did a thing for the town.

The town knows I will not impose religious thought into council decisions. They want a pragmatic councillor. They want someone that actually respects their religious rights. (And believe it or not, I in fact do respect the rights of the religious to be that way.)

There is just so much about town government that "only a Christian" can use his faith to peer through inscrutable issues: Award a contract for a new fence around the sewage lagoon, petition the telephone company to upgrade Internet service to the town (I am only one of three that has it, the others being the general store and the library), apply for block grants from the USDA, arrange a village-wide cleanup, you know, all these things that only an understanding of the Bible can teach you.

(And I understand it better than most here, except possibly the minister of the church across the street, and we are good friends despite knowing I am an atheist. She views me as a valuable neighbour, particularly since I ran off the burglar. I didn't do it because it is a church. I did it because the church is my neighbour and I don't want robbers in my town.)

If you think that things like the Affordable Health Care Act paint President Obama as a socialist plotter, you don't understand socialism; it does not enrich insurance companies. That is capitalism. I have real socialist health care: the Veterans Administration. They pay for civilian care and will see me in the VA hospital two hundred miles away (if I can get there). I just show my military ID card in any hospital or clinic in the nation and boom. My wife is also covered with a small co-payment.

Even Theodore Roosevelt tried to get health care for all through Congress (you know, the guy who lead the charge up San Juan hill, &c). He felt that a healthy populace was vital for national security, without which you cannot raise an effective army. He was successfully opposed by folk with vested interest in pay-as-you-go health care.

It is interesting to note that our infant mortality rate in the "best nation in the world for health care" falls squarely between Albania (just emerged from sixty years of Stalinist dictatorship) and Bosnia (just emerged from devastating civil war). Our life expectancy is the lowest in the First World. (Source, CIA World Factbook).

"Socialism" to describe Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are just as much misnomers as "democracy" is a misnomer for our own nation (it is actually a democratic-republic).

Perhaps you ought consider when you pull out Godwin's Law (the longer an argument goes, the more likely someone will pull out Hitler as an argument) that you actually should consider what the terms mean that you use.

I leave you with this quote: "If you don't want tax dollars helping the sick and the poor, then it's time to stop saying you want a government based on Christian values."—John Fugelsan, political satirist.

You know, because the Jesus depicted in the New Testament was a socialist too (unless you read the Conservapedia version).

(January 17, 2013 at 9:13 pm)Anymouse Wrote:

(January 17, 2013 at 7:46 pm)A Theist Wrote: Because Obama and the typical whining leftwing storm troopers act like this so much.

(Nazi and KKK images cut for brevity).
To A Theist:
Y'know, recently I was appointed to my city council to fill the unexpired term of my neighbour, who died after thirty years service on the board.
I am relatively new in town (less than two years).
In that time, my wife and I fought the Post Office for months to save our local office (successfully), founded a library friends organisation to support our public library in this town of 128, chased off a burglar at the Lutheran Church across the street in the middle of the night with a dog, started a children's homework help programme, and many other things.
I think you mischaracterise Nazis (fascists), the KKK (bigoted theocrats), and President Obama (a capitalist Constitutional lawyer).

I live in the most religious state outside the Bible Belt (Nebraska). I am a real open socialist. (I support publicly funded things like the military, roads, infrastructure to allow capitalistic commerce and public travel, health care for all, you know, those socialistic things that the government "redistributes wealth" for.)

I edit erotic Romance novels for pocket money. I belong to a third party political party (the Modern Whigs, originally founded by active duty and veterans sick of politicians scoring points with the public on religion and warfare). I am a disabled Navy veteran of seventeen years service, an atheist in a foxhole (well, on ships anyway).

I am openly atheist in a village which has only one other: my wife. I write letters to the local newspaper on the pernicious decline of the separation of church and state, which protects churches just as much as it does government.

And you know what? Of five candidates for the seat, I was unanimously selected by the village. The Chairman noted publicly that I was the "least divisive candidate" for the seat. The other all lived here for many years and are good, God-fearing, honest folk, but who actually never did a thing for the town.

The town knows I will not impose religious thought into council decisions. They want a pragmatic councillor. They want someone that actually respects their religious rights. (And believe it or not, I in fact do respect the rights of the religious to be that way.)

There is just so much about town government that "only a Christian" can use his faith to peer through inscrutable issues: Award a contract for a new fence around the sewage lagoon, petition the telephone company to upgrade Internet service to the town (I am only one of three that has it, the others being the general store and the library), apply for block grants from the USDA, arrange a village-wide cleanup, you know, all these things that only an understanding of the Bible can teach you.

(And I understand it better than most here, except possibly the minister of the church across the street, and we are good friends despite knowing I am an atheist. She views me as a valuable neighbour, particularly since I ran off the burglar. I didn't do it because it is a church. I did it because the church is my neighbour and I don't want robbers in my town.)

If you think that things like the Affordable Health Care Act paint President Obama as a socialist plotter, you don't understand socialism; it does not enrich insurance companies. That is capitalism. I have real socialist health care: the Veterans Administration. They pay for civilian care and will see me in the VA hospital two hundred miles away (if I can get there). I just show my military ID card in any hospital or clinic in the nation and boom. My wife is also covered with a small co-payment.

Even Theodore Roosevelt tried to get health care for all through Congress (you know, the guy who lead the charge up San Juan hill, &c). He felt that a healthy populace was vital for national security, without which you cannot raise an effective army. He was successfully opposed by folk with vested interest in pay-as-you-go health care.

It is interesting to note that our infant mortality rate in the "best nation in the world for health care" falls squarely between Albania (just emerged from sixty years of Stalinist dictatorship) and Bosnia (just emerged from devastating civil war). Our life expectancy is the lowest in the First World. (Source, CIA World Factbook).

"Socialism" to describe Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are just as much misnomers as "democracy" is a misnomer for our own nation (it is actually a democratic-republic).

Perhaps you ought consider when you pull out Godwin's Law (the longer an argument goes, the more likely someone will pull out Hitler as an argument) that you actually should consider what the terms mean that you use.

I leave you with this quote: "If you don't want tax dollars helping the sick and the poor, then it's time to stop saying you want a government based on Christian values."—John Fugelsan, political satirist.

You know, because the Jesus depicted in the New Testament was a socialist too (unless you read the Conservapedia version).

What a hypocrite you are....where was all your pompous and self-righteous dribble when conservatives were referred to as KKK earlier in this thread?...Why aren't you speaking out against your fellow leftwingers on this forum who are referring to Republicans and conservatives as racists, nazis, and facists on a daily and consistent basis?...if you can't mete out your criticisms equally and fairly, then go preach your leftist double standards and your hypocrisy to somebody else.

(January 17, 2013 at 10:02 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(January 17, 2013 at 9:13 pm)Anymouse Wrote:

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(Nazi and KKK images cut for brevity).
To A Theist:
Y'know, recently I was appointed to my city council to fill the unexpired term of my neighbour, who died after thirty years service on the board.
I am relatively new in town (less than two years).
In that time, my wife and I fought the Post Office for months to save our local office (successfully), founded a library friends organisation to support our public library in this town of 128, chased off a burglar at the Lutheran Church across the street in the middle of the night with a dog, started a children's homework help programme, and many other things.
I think you mischaracterise Nazis (fascists), the KKK (bigoted theocrats), and President Obama (a capitalist Constitutional lawyer).

I live in the most religious state outside the Bible Belt (Nebraska). I am a real open socialist. (I support publicly funded things like the military, roads, infrastructure to allow capitalistic commerce and public travel, health care for all, you know, those socialistic things that the government "redistributes wealth" for.)

I edit erotic Romance novels for pocket money. I belong to a third party political party (the Modern Whigs, originally founded by active duty and veterans sick of politicians scoring points with the public on religion and warfare). I am a disabled Navy veteran of seventeen years service, an atheist in a foxhole (well, on ships anyway).

I am openly atheist in a village which has only one other: my wife. I write letters to the local newspaper on the pernicious decline of the separation of church and state, which protects churches just as much as it does government.

And you know what? Of five candidates for the seat, I was unanimously selected by the village. The Chairman noted publicly that I was the "least divisive candidate" for the seat. The other all lived here for many years and are good, God-fearing, honest folk, but who actually never did a thing for the town.

The town knows I will not impose religious thought into council decisions. They want a pragmatic councillor. They want someone that actually respects their religious rights. (And believe it or not, I in fact do respect the rights of the religious to be that way.)

There is just so much about town government that "only a Christian" can use his faith to peer through inscrutable issues: Award a contract for a new fence around the sewage lagoon, petition the telephone company to upgrade Internet service to the town (I am only one of three that has it, the others being the general store and the library), apply for block grants from the USDA, arrange a village-wide cleanup, you know, all these things that only an understanding of the Bible can teach you.

(And I understand it better than most here, except possibly the minister of the church across the street, and we are good friends despite knowing I am an atheist. She views me as a valuable neighbour, particularly since I ran off the burglar. I didn't do it because it is a church. I did it because the church is my neighbour and I don't want robbers in my town.)

If you think that things like the Affordable Health Care Act paint President Obama as a socialist plotter, you don't understand socialism; it does not enrich insurance companies. That is capitalism. I have real socialist health care: the Veterans Administration. They pay for civilian care and will see me in the VA hospital two hundred miles away (if I can get there). I just show my military ID card in any hospital or clinic in the nation and boom. My wife is also covered with a small co-payment.

Even Theodore Roosevelt tried to get health care for all through Congress (you know, the guy who lead the charge up San Juan hill, &c). He felt that a healthy populace was vital for national security, without which you cannot raise an effective army. He was successfully opposed by folk with vested interest in pay-as-you-go health care.

It is interesting to note that our infant mortality rate in the "best nation in the world for health care" falls squarely between Albania (just emerged from sixty years of Stalinist dictatorship) and Bosnia (just emerged from devastating civil war). Our life expectancy is the lowest in the First World. (Source, CIA World Factbook).

"Socialism" to describe Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are just as much misnomers as "democracy" is a misnomer for our own nation (it is actually a democratic-republic).

Perhaps you ought consider when you pull out Godwin's Law (the longer an argument goes, the more likely someone will pull out Hitler as an argument) that you actually should consider what the terms mean that you use.

I leave you with this quote: "If you don't want tax dollars helping the sick and the poor, then it's time to stop saying you want a government based on Christian values."—John Fugelsan, political satirist.

You know, because the Jesus depicted in the New Testament was a socialist too (unless you read the Conservapedia version).

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What a hypocrite you are....where was all your pompous and self-righteous dribble when conservatives were referred to as KKK earlier in this thread?...Why aren't you speaking out against your fellow leftwingers on this forum who are referring to Republicans and conservatives as racists, nazis, and facists on a daily and consistent basis?...if you can't mete out your criticisms equally and fairly, then go preach your leftist double standards and your hypocrisy to somebody else.

My apologies, A Theist: I have only just gotten back on AF after many weeks, because I have been very ill (and still am). I only just read through this thread a few minutes ago.
I do not support pulling out the Nazi card against anyone (unless they are of course a Nazi). Conservatives are no more Nazis than Liberals.
Such terminology doesn't go a long way to fostering a consensus.

(January 17, 2013 at 8:10 pm)A Theist Wrote: Yeah, I know. I was just as shocked as you are...a black nazi even! go figure...but that Affirmative Action thing...it made a lot of stuff possible...

Well you do hopefully know that that image, was made with fotoshop.
Which means:

Obama isn`t really waring that uniform.

To be more exact, someone stuffed him in that uniform to create that image.
Are you capable of understanding such a concept.

And how does "Affirmative action" make your country or Obama fashist?

(January 17, 2013 at 10:06 pm)Anymouse Wrote: My apologies, A Theist: I have only just gotten back on AF after many weeks, because I have been very ill (and still am). I only just read through this thread a few minutes ago.
I do not support pulling out the Nazi card against anyone (unless they are of course a Nazi). Conservatives are no more Nazis than Liberals.
Such terminology doesn't go a long way to fostering a consensus.

I've found a certain percentage of this forum has a poor concept of scale. Everyone to the right of them is a Nazi, or member of the Taliban. When I see stuff like that consistently said by the left wing members of this forum I roll my eyes. If that was true every time there was a Republican government all the Atheists would be executed. The Taliban and Nazis and all these people you guys love to not understand would kill us all. I think some people honestly think that's what Republicans want to do. Give me a break.

The other thing that cracks me up is when people complain about A Theists constant bashing of Obama. While I do think he gets a little carried away some times, do you people not remember the Bush years? Someone couldn't fart in an elevator without Bush being blamed for it. I think liberals truly miss Bush, so they can have something to whine about. It just doesn't suit them to actually be in power and watch everything go to shit.

That brings me to the third thing that I see said on here that drives me crazy. That's when people wish for the death of the Republican party. I don't mean that they just lose this or that election, but that the part literally have no power. Do you guys not think beyond one step? Are you honestly advocating single party rule? Do you guys have any clue how well that has worked out in the world.

Anyway, I know that you personally, Anymouse hasn't said any of this. I don't know why I'm saying it in reply to you, but that is some of the stuff I see on here all the time and everybody seems to let it slide just because they agree politically with the people saying it.

(January 17, 2013 at 11:45 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote:

(January 17, 2013 at 8:10 pm)A Theist Wrote: Yeah, I know. I was just as shocked as you are...a black nazi even! go figure...but that Affirmative Action thing...it made a lot of stuff possible...

Well you do hopefully know that that image, was made with fotoshop.
Which means:

Obama isn`t really waring that uniform.

To be more exact, someone stuffed him in that uniform to create that image.

Don't stress Atheist, Mr Obama will be there long after you have shriveled up and died.

(January 17, 2013 at 10:06 pm)Anymouse Wrote:

(January 17, 2013 at 10:02 pm)A Theist Wrote: What a hypocrite you are....where was all your pompous and self-righteous dribble when conservatives were referred to as KKK earlier in this thread?...Why aren't you speaking out against your fellow leftwingers on this forum who are referring to Republicans and conservatives as racists, nazis, and facists on a daily and consistent basis?...if you can't mete out your criticisms equally and fairly, then go preach your leftist double standards and your hypocrisy to somebody else.

My apologies, A Theist: I have only just gotten back on AF after many weeks, because I have been very ill (and still am). I only just read through this thread a few minutes ago.
I do not support pulling out the Nazi card against anyone (unless they are of course a Nazi). Conservatives are no more Nazis than Liberals.
Such terminology doesn't go a long way to fostering a consensus.

Quote:My apologies, A Theist: I have only just gotten back on AF after many weeks, because I have been very ill (and still am).

Not a problem A.m....hope you're doing well and wishing you a speedy recovery.

Quote:I do not support pulling out the Nazi card against anyone (unless they are of course a Nazi). Conservatives are no more Nazis than Liberals.

...just a bit of perusing through some of these threads and you'll see that most on the left here are overly sensitive and are obsessed to the extreme with race...they don't handle disagreement well...they love playing the race card consistently against libertarians and conservatives, and they can't tolerate their own double standards and their own hypocrisy being pitched back at them, ( i.e. my use of the Hitler reference after after one of them equated conservatives to a Klan picture)....you'll also notice how often they reference racism, racists, fascists, nazis, bigots, homophobia, etc. against anyone who doesn't share their opinions...and as 'Cap' pointed out in his response, most of these guys will justify each others' own double standards and..."let it slide just because they agree politically with the people saying it."....

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(January 18, 2013 at 8:56 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Don't stress Atheist, Mr Obama will be there long after you have shriveled up and died.

Who me?....Nah,...don't get your hopes up, honey bunch

(January 18, 2013 at 10:17 am)A Theist Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 8:56 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Don't stress Atheist, Mr Obama will be there long after you have shriveled up and died.

Who me?....Nah,...don't get your hopes up, honey bunch

Good. Then you may wait four years like us dastardly liberals had to wait after George W. Bush's re-election.

Isn't it nice to have something in common with us super-ultra-liberal-communist-socialist martians?

(January 18, 2013 at 1:54 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 10:17 am)A Theist Wrote: Who me?....Nah,...don't get your hopes up, honey bunch

Good. Then you may wait four years like us dastardly liberals had to wait after George W. Bush's re-election.

Isn't it nice to have something in common with us super-ultra-liberal-communist-socialist martians?

...then you shouldn't mind it so much if we conservatives accuse, complain, and blame Obama over the next four years just the way you super-ultra-liberal-communist-socialist martians did when Bush was re-elected...