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What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
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What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
This is a pretty fair question. There's so many definitions people have of what a liberal is supposed to be that it becomes complicated to define liberalism.

Originally, liberalism is a political ideology that emphasizes personal individual liberties and autonomy - Core values are liberty, life and property.

Liberalism is necessarily capitalist since the free market is the only institution compatible with individual rights and it's maximization - However this doesn't mean advocating ultra-capitalism and unregulated markets. Indeed, a wise liberal probably thinks that idealistically the best state is the one that governs less, but public intervention is a necessity. In fact, since many individuals and groups of people can be disadvantaged compared to others, it's necessary to support public intervention and social justice to allow those people to fully exercise their individual rights as well. In my opinion, at least, being a liberal is compatible with moderate, wise state intervention, but it cannot be dissociated from capitalism as an economic system and it's core principles. A liberal who is anti-capitalist is not a liberal, but probably a social-democrat or a socialist.

Liberals V. Conservatives:
When looking at American politics it's curious that conservatives seem more "liberal" when it comes to economics and state intervention than American liberals - In my opinion, the core differences are that liberals are socially liberal (gay marriage, abortion, drug legalization, etc.) and liberals end up being the ones advocating higher economic freedom - Conservatives want to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, support the death penalty (individual right to one's own life), support invading people's privacy, etc... If liberals really do support higher state intervention for the common good, it ends up being a means to reach the end - The end is equity in the sense that all people, within limitations, have equal opportunities (not results). In Europe the word liberal doesn't get thrown much, though it's correlated with center right social democrats that favour capitalism, but it doesn't mean much by itself, it just means that someone is "liberal" and has a connotation with social tolerance and being pro social equality.

Liberals V. Libertarians - From what I have noticed the core difference is that libertarians are more averse to State intervention and support a much larger scale of the non aggression principle, leading individuals to maximize their individual rights to the point the state can either be privatized or is almost useless. Libertarians are also, apparently, more averse to regulating the free market, as opposed to liberals.

Liberals V. Socialists:
I've noticed both support state intervention and social justice, but the noticeable difference is that socialists are anti-capitalists by nature, even though they want to bring it down trough a democratic procedure (if you don't think this is true, then you need to inform yourself - You can't be a socialist and a capitalist - If you support both, you are a social democrat)

Liberals V. Social democrats:
Social Democrats have affinities with socialism but support the coexistence of socialistic and social measures with capitalism. They support keeping the free market under regulation and favour strong social justice. The difference I think is that social democrats place much higher expectations on social equity and satisfying community as a whole, the common good, whereas liberals prefer individual rights and freedoms. Northern European states are examples of social democracy with some mix of liberalism.


The word liberal nowadays can mean anything from someone who favours both economic and social liberties (with moderation on the former) as well as be used as a pejorative insult against "progressives".

So am I wrong? And what is a liberal?

More important - Does a liberal need to left-wing?
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
Quote:Originally, liberalism


Originally, republicunts were anti-slavery. In politics, origins mean little.
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RE: What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
(February 3, 2015 at 7:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Originally, liberalism


Originally, republicunts were anti-slavery. In politics, origins mean little.

But to an ideology core values matter, otherwise the word used to describe it loses meaning. If you are a liberal you should like "liberty" - Private property, freedom and life seem fundamental values to me
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
You need to learn about marketing.

No one in history has ever founded a political party called "The Thieving Scumbags Party." That would be truth in advertising but it doesn't win elections.
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RE: What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
Fair enough with your point but I'm talking about personal ideologies and not any political party. I used the US as an example
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
I vote democratic because the republicunts are scumbag jesus freaks. I don't think you'll find much in the way of personal ideology in that.
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RE: What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
Liberal: I know better than you and you will be made to care.
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RE: What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
Conservatard: "Jesus said...blah....blah....blah....."
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RE: What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
I'm somewhat of a mix. I'm very liberal on social issues, slightly left of center on economic issues and slightly right of center on matters of defense. I'm not loyal to any one party but the current situation in the U.S. with the Republican party is such that I automatically reject their candidates. The party panders to the religious right and is anti-science. Even the candidates who have a brain, alter their own position in order to satisfy the idiots in their base. Basically, an intelligent Republican has to undergo an operation to remove at least 25% of their brain before they can make it past their own primary elections.

Bad situation here. In the U.S., you're either a liberal or an idiot.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

Albert Einstein
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RE: What does it mean to be a liberal (politically)?
Seems to me that here in America, classic liberalism has been split up between the Republicans and the Democrats: the Republicans cotton to economic liberalism, while the Democrats cotton to social liberalism.

I was a registered Libertarian for years, and still have strong leanings that way. My sense is that government is clearly necessary, clearly a concentration of power susceptible to corruption and clearly an institution that, while necessary, is not trustworthy.

I reject the current usage of "liberal" as a pejorative, just as I reject "Republicunt", because both those labels strive to demonize dissentients.

So what is a "liberal"? He is an dying species bridging the gap between feudalism and the technocratic dictatorship we're installing. We're a dying breed.

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