(January 19, 2013 at 12:15 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Nobody calls you a god or insists that you are all-powerful, either. Nobody claims that you set the objective standard for righteousness and that human morality is determined by what you, personally, consider to be right and wrong. You're just another flawed and fallible mammal like the rest of us. You should not be held to a higher standard because nobody claims that you're totally perfect and created the entire universe.

Who is a flawed and fallible mammal to judge an omnipotent omniscient God, or to tell him which standards are the highest?

(January 19, 2013 at 2:05 pm)John V Wrote: Who is a flawed and fallible mammal to judge an omnipotent omniscient God, or to tell him which standards are the highest?

Hi, I'm Mark. I'm a flawed fallible mammal and I judge you're imaginary omnipotent omniscient god. I exist as a conscious being and have an ability to judge therefore I intend to use that ability on anything and everything I see fit.

(January 19, 2013 at 2:05 pm)John V Wrote: Who is a flawed and fallible mammal to judge an omnipotent omniscient God, or to tell him which standards are the highest?

If your god falls short of moral standards that the majority of humans on the planet are capable of upholding, then the problem is not with our flawed and fallible mammalian perspective.

(January 19, 2013 at 2:11 pm)Insanity x Wrote: Hi, I'm Mark. I'm a flawed fallible mammal and I judge you're imaginary omnipotent omniscient god. I exist as a conscious being and have an ability to judge therefore I intend to use that ability on anything and everything I see fit.

Your flawed and fallible judgment is noted.

(January 19, 2013 at 2:44 pm)John V Wrote: Your flawed and fallible judgment is noted.

As is yours.

(January 19, 2013 at 2:16 pm)Esquilax Wrote: If your god falls short of moral standards that the majority of humans on the planet are capable of upholding, then the problem is not with our flawed and fallible mammalian perspective.

1. Why should god care about standards set by flawed beings?

2. It hasn't been demonstrated that god doesn't live up to standards that the majority of people uphold.

(January 18, 2013 at 8:28 pm)Esquilax Wrote: This is another one of those situations where you're required to actually tell me why my definition doesn't apply

Like I said (you must have missed it. Strange as there's just the one point), your definition isn't actually applicable. Take your time digesting that. Atheism, in your case, = ignorance. No insult intended.

(January 19, 2013 at 6:24 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Like I said (you must have missed it. Strange as there's just the one point), your definition isn't actually applicable. Take your time digesting that.

He asked you why it isn't applicable.

"It isn't applicable because it isn't applicable."

Yeah, that doesn't work.

(January 19, 2013 at 2:49 pm)John V Wrote: 1. Why should god care about standards set by flawed beings?

Because, for some reason, those flawed standards are more moral than the ones set up by our perfect creator.

Quote:2. It hasn't been demonstrated that god doesn't live up to standards that the majority of people uphold.

All that murder and genocide in the bible sort of hint at that.

Quote:Like I said (you must have missed it. Strange as there's just the one point), your definition isn't actually applicable. Take your time digesting that. Atheism, in your case, = ignorance. No insult intended.

You're doing that opinion thing again. All you've done is repeated your initial claim, not supported it in any way. Until you can support it, I don't give much of a shit as to whether or not you believe my definition is applicable or not. Take your time digesting that. Theism, in your case= an inflated sense of the worth of your opinions.

Some insult intended. Just a little bit.

(January 19, 2013 at 2:05 pm)John V Wrote: Who is a flawed and fallible mammal to judge an omnipotent omniscient God, or to tell him which standards are the highest?

I am a person who is better-behaved than God. Last I checked, I have never ordered a genocide.