(January 20, 2013 at 11:56 pm)Drich Wrote: So no questions?

Everyone understands what is being communicated here, but out of everything said the 'best' arguement (or rather the longest one) is an appeal to spell check?

(January 20, 2013 at 9:21 pm)Cinjin Wrote: You know what I just realized? = Your constant ignorance of your own misspelling isn't because you don't have a spell check or because you're too damn lazy to perform one ... you simply don't know how to spell.

Quote:Spelling the word worthiness or sacrifice wrong just one time can easily be overlooked, but spelling the same word wrong over and over is just your own lack of intelligence and/or education.

Quote:You have the entire world wide web to make yourself look intelligent and you can't even make use of it?

Quote:You understand what I'm saying right? If you can't even form your thoughts into correctly spelled words why are we even bothering with you and your "work" here.

Quote:Feel free to link this post for your church members to read. If the rest of the sheep are as uneducated and lazy as you are, Jesus will be the only one who is humiliated.

(January 21, 2013 at 12:17 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(January 20, 2013 at 11:56 pm)Drich Wrote: So no questions?

Everyone understands what is being communicated here, but out of everything said the 'best' arguement (or rather the longest one) is an appeal to spell check?

What in holy hell makes you think any of us give a flying fucking frittata about any of this?

(January 21, 2013 at 12:04 am)FallentoReason Wrote:

Quote:So if we are free from the law then why try and still follow it? Love. If we Love God with all of our being (Heart, Mind Spirit and Strength) as our greatest command tells us, then we will seek out His want and will for our lives. For if you Love someone with just your heart will you not try and please this person? Or will you cheat on them and do the things they hate? Now multiply that love against every fiber of your being and try and cause pain to the one that love is directed at. Love is what binds us to seeking out God's will. Not as a means to righteousness, but because we love God.

I'm confused by this paragraph. Why do you love God?

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Genesis
22:12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

Exodus
1:21 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own.

14:31 And when the Israelites saw the great power the Lord displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the Lord and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant.

20:18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die."

20:20 Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning."

Leviticus
19:14 "'Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the Lord.

25:17 Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy
5:29 Oh, that their hearts would be inclined to fear me and keep all my commands always, so that it might go well with them and their children forever!

6:1,2 These are the commands, decrees and laws the Lord your God directed me to teach you to observe in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess, so that you, your children and their children after them may fear the Lord your God as long as you live by keeping all his decrees and commands that I give you, and so that you may enjoy long life.

6:13 Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.

6:24 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today.

9:19 I feared the anger and wrath of the Lord, for he was angry enough with you to destroy you. But again the Lord listened to me.

10:12-13 And now, O Israel, what does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and to observe the Lord's commands and decrees that I am giving you today for your own good?

10:20 Fear the Lord your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take your oaths in his name.

31:12 Assemble the people--men, women and children, and the aliens living in your towns--so they can listen and learn to fear the Lord your God and follow carefully all the words of this law.

31:13 Their children, who do not know this law, must hear it and learn to fear the Lord your God as long as you live in the land you are crossing the Jordan to possess."

Joshua
4:23,24 For the Lord your God dried up the Jordan before you until you had crossed over. The Lord your God did to the Jordan just what he had done to the Red Sea when he dried it up before us until we had crossed over. He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the Lord is powerful and so that you might always fear the Lord your God."

24:14 "Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.

1Samuel
12:14,15 If you fear the Lord and serve and obey him and do not rebel against his commands, and if both you and the king who reigns over you follow the Lord your God--good! But if you do not obey the Lord, and if you rebel against his commands, his hand will be against you, as it was against your fathers.

12:24 But be sure to fear the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you.

2Samuel
23:3-4 The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: 'When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,

23:4 he is like the light of morning at sunrise on a cloudless morning, like the brightness after rain that brings the grass from the earth.'

1Chronicles
16:25-26 For great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens.

2Chronicles
17:9,10 They taught throughout Judah, taking with them the Book of the Law of the Lord; they went around to all the towns of Judah and taught the people. The fear of the Lord fell on all the kingdoms of the lands surrounding Judah, so that they did not make war with Jehoshaphat.

20:29 The fear of God came upon all the kingdoms of the countries when they heard how the Lord had fought against the enemies of Israel.

Nehemiah
5:9 So I continued, "What you are doing is not right. Shouldn't you walk in the fear of our God to avoid the reproach of our Gentile enemies?

Job
1:1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

1:8-9 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil." "Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied.

2:3 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."

23:13-15 "But he stands alone, and who can oppose him? He does whatever he pleases. He carries out his decree against me, and many such plans he still has in store. That is why I am terrified before him; when I think of all this, I fear him.

28:28 And he said to man, 'The fear of the Lord--that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding.'"

Psalms
2:11 Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling.

15:1-4 Lord, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy hill? He whose walk is blameless and who does what is righteous, ... who despises a vile man but honors those who fear the Lord,

19:9 The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever. The ordinances of the Lord are sure and altogether righteous.

22:23 You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!

25:12-14 Who, then, is the man that fears the Lord? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. He will spend his days in prosperity, and his descendants will inherit the land. The Lord confides in those who fear him; he makes his covenant known to them.

31:19 How great is your goodness, which you have stored up for those who fear you, which you bestow in the sight of men on those who take refuge in you.

33:8-9 Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the people of the world revere him. For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.

33:18-19 But the eyes of the Lord are on those who fear him, on those whose hope is in his unfailing love, to deliver them from death and keep them alive in famine.

34:7-11 The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them. Taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who takes refuge in him. Fear the Lord, you his saints, for those who fear him lack nothing. The lions may grow weak and hungry, but those who seek the Lord lack no good thing. Come, my children, listen to me; I will teach you the fear of the Lord.

36:1-2 An oracle is within my heart concerning the sinfulness of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes. For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much to detect or hate his sin.

40:3 He put a new song in my mouth, a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put their trust in the Lord.

52:5-7 Surely God will bring you down to everlasting ruin: He will snatch you up and tear you from your tent; he will uproot you from the land of the living. The righteous will see and fear; they will laugh at him, saying, "Here now is the man who did not make God his stronghold but trusted in his great wealth and grew strong by destroying others!"

55:18-19 He ransoms me unharmed from the battle waged against me, even though many oppose me. God, who is enthroned forever, will hear them and afflict them - men who never change their ways and have no fear of God.

60:4 But for those who fear you, you have raised a banner to be unfurled against the bow.

61:5 For you have heard my vows, O God; you have given me the heritage of those who fear your name.

65:8 Those living far away fear your wonders; where morning dawns and evening fades you call forth songs of joy.

76:7-8 You alone are to be feared. Who can stand before you when you are angry? From heaven you pronounced judgment, and the land feared and was quiet -

76:11-12 Make vows to the Lord your God and fulfill them; let all the neighboring lands bring gifts to the One to be feared. He breaks the spirit of rulers; he is feared by the kings of the earth.

85:9 Surely his salvation is near those who fear him, that his glory may dwell in our land.

86:11Teach me your way, O Lord, and I will walk in your truth; give me an undivided heart, that I may fear your name.

89:7 In the council of the holy ones God is greatly feared; he is more awesome than all who surround him.

90:11 Who knows the power of your anger? For your wrath is as great as the fear that is due you.

96:4-5 For great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens.

103:11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his love for those who fear him;

103:13 As a father has compassion on his children, so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him;

103:17-18 But from everlasting to everlasting the Lord's love is with those who fear him, and his righteousness with their children's children - with those who keep his covenant and remember to obey his precepts.

111:5 He provides food for those who fear him; he remembers his covenant forever.

111:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.

112:1-2 Praise the Lord. [b] Blessed is the man who fears the Lord, who finds great delight in his commands. His children will be mighty in the land; the generation of the upright will be blessed.

115:11 You who fear him, trust in the Lord-- he is their help and shield.

115:13 he will bless those who fear the Lord-- small and great alike.

119:120 My flesh trembles in fear of you; I stand in awe of your laws.

128:1-4 Blessed are all who fear the Lord, who walk in his ways. You will eat the fruit of your labor; blessings and prosperity will be yours. Your wife will be like a fruitful vine within your house; your sons will be like olive shoots around your table. Thus is the man blessed who fears the Lord.

130:3-4 If you, O Lord, kept a record of sins, O Lord, who could stand? But with you there is forgiveness; therefore you are feared.

145:19-20 He fulfills the desires of those who fear him; he hears their cry and saves them. The Lord watches over all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy.

147:11 the Lord delights in those who fear him, who put their hope in his unfailing love.

Proverbs
1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

1:29-31 Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the Lord, since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.

2:1-5 My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding, and if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

3:7-8 Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil. This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones.

8:13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

10:27 The fear of the Lord adds length to life, but the years of the wicked are cut short.

14:2 He whose walk is upright fears the Lord, but he whose ways are devious despises him.

14:16 A wise man fears the Lord and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and reckless.

14:26-27 He who fears the Lord has a secure fortress, and for his children it will be a refuge. The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.

15:16 Better a little with the fear of the Lord than great wealth with turmoil.

15:33 The fear of the Lord teaches a man wisdom, and humility comes before honour.

16:6 Through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for; through the fear of the Lord a man avoids evil.

19:23 The fear of the Lord leads to life: Then one rests content, untouched by trouble.

22:4 Humility and the fear of the Lord bring wealth and honor and life.

23:17-18 Do not let your heart envy sinners, but always be zealous for the fear of the Lord. There is surely a future hope for you, and your hope will not be cut off.

24:21-22 Fear the Lord and the king, my son, and do not join with the rebellious, for those two will send sudden destruction upon them, and who knows what calamities they can bring?

28:14 Blessed is the man who always fears the Lord, but he who hardens his heart falls into trouble.

29:25 Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the Lord is kept safe.

31:30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.

Ecclesiastes
7:16-18 Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise-- why destroy yourself? Do not be overwicked, and do not be a fool-- why die before your time? It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other. The man who fears God will avoid all extremes.

8:12-13 Although a wicked man commits a hundred crimes and still lives a long time, I know that it will go better with God-fearing men, who are reverent before God. Yet because the wicked do not fear God, it will not go well with them, and their days will not lengthen like a shadow.

12:13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.

Isaiah
8:12-13 Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy [f]; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread,

11:2-3 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him -- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord -- and he will delight in the fear of the Lord.

33:6 He will be the sure foundation for your times, a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge; the fear of the Lord is the key to this treasure.

50:10 Who among you fears the Lord and obeys the word of his servant? Let him who walks in the dark, who has no light, trust in the name of the Lord and rely on his God.

59:19 From the west, men will fear the name of the Lord, and from the rising of the sun, they will revere his glory. For he will come like a pent-up flood that the breath of the Lord drives along.

Jeremiah
5:22-24 Should you not fear me?" declares the Lord. "Should you not tremble in my presence? I made the sand a boundary for the sea, an everlasting barrier it cannot cross. The waves may roll, but they cannot prevail; they may roar, but they cannot cross it. But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts; they have turned aside and gone away. They do not say to themselves, 'Let us fear the Lord our God, who gives autumn and spring rains in season, who assures us of the regular weeks of harvest.'

26:19 Did not Hezekiah fear the Lord and seek his favor? And did not the Lord relent, so that he did not bring the disaster he pronounced against them?

32:39-40 I will give them singleness of heart and action, so that they will always fear me for their own good and the good of their children after them. I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me.

Daniel
6:26-27 "I issue a decree that in every part of my kingdom people must fear and reverence the God of Daniel. "For he is the living God and he endures forever; his kingdom will not be destroyed, his dominion will never end. He rescues and he saves; he performs signs and wonders in the heavens and on the earth. He has rescued Daniel from the power of the lions."

Jonah
1:15-16 Then they took Jonah and threw him overboard, and the raging sea grew calm. At this the men greatly feared the Lord, and they offered a sacrifice to the Lord and made vows to him.

Zephaniah
3:7 I said to the city, 'Surely you will fear me and accept correction!' Then her dwelling would not be cut off, nor all my punishments come upon her. But they were still eager to act corruptly in all they did.

Malachi
1:14 For I am a great king," says the Lord Almighty, "and my name is to be feared among the nations.

3:5 "So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the Lord Almighty.

Luke
1:50 His mercy extends to those who fear him, from generation to generation.

8:24-25 He got up and rebuked the wind and the raging waters; the storm subsided, and all was calm. "Where is your faith?" he asked his disciples. In fear and amazement they asked one another, "Who is this? He commands even the winds and the water, and they obey him."

12:4-5 "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

23:40 But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence?

Acts
7:30-32 "After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to look more closely, he heard the Lord's voice: 'I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.' Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.

9:31Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.

10:34-35 Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.

2Corinthians
5:11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.

Ephesians
6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Phillipians
2:12-13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

Hebrews
11:7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family.

12:21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, "I am trembling with fear."

1Peter
1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.

2:17 Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

3:14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. "Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened."

Revelation
14:6-7 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."

15:4 Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed."

19:5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying: "Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, both small and great!"

http://www.feargod.net/verses.php

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Quote:Because He first loved me enough to provide attonement for my sins. Forever freeing me to live an eternity in Heaven with him.

Quote:So you can see My limitations and see my very limited intelectual ablities, inturn see the contrast between what I am able to produce on my own, and compare that with the content That has shut down the arguements of Doctors, lawyers, and university professors.

(January 21, 2013 at 12:45 am)FallentoReason Wrote:

Quote:Because He first loved me enough to provide attonement for my sins. Forever freeing me to live an eternity in Heaven with him.

Despite every second page of the Bible telling you to fear him?

Cherry picking at its finest.

(January 21, 2013 at 1:06 am)Ryantology Wrote:

Quote:So you can see My limitations and see my very limited intelectual ablities, inturn see the contrast between what I am able to produce on my own, and compare that with the content That has shut down the arguements of Doctors, lawyers, and university professors.

Did none of these learned men ever think to simply say "you can't prove your god is real"?

That shuts down the argument before it ever starts. Everything which follows is just us humoring your delusions.

(January 21, 2013 at 12:40 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 20, 2013 at 9:21 pm)Cinjin Wrote: You know what I just realized? = Your constant ignorance of your own misspelling isn't because you don't have a spell check or because you're too damn lazy to perform one ... you simply don't know how to spell.

Nope not a bit. Do you know what is even more sad than this? That you in all of your perfect spelling and superior knoweledge, you are not wise enough to address the topic at hand. You are not even willing to try. your whole stratagy is based on the idea that you can dismiss my whole effort on what you have labled as the defining characteristic of intelectual legitmacy.

Drich Wrote:All the while turning a blind eye to what you can no long hope to refute point by point. You have tried and failed many times, unless you appeal to common vulgarity, at which point I have on purpose surrender the conversation to you. (If you can't win on point cuss and start name calling)

Drich Wrote:

Cinjin Wrote:Spelling the word worthiness or sacrifice wrong just one time can easily be overlooked, but spelling the same word wrong over and over is just your own lack of intelligence and/or education.

Which again logically points to your own lack of wisdom.
If a man who has a legitmate disablity (whom you've deemed stupid) makes a point that you can not refute, but instead you have to resort to pointing out the disabled man short commings in an effort to save face and make yourself look good.. That makes you not only a douche Bag it makes you less intellegent than the person you have to personally insult to get the last word in your perceived arguement.

(January 21, 2013 at 12:40 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 20, 2013 at 9:21 pm)Cinjin Wrote: You have the entire world wide web to make yourself look intelligent and you can't even make use of it?

So you can see My limitations and see my very limited intelectual ablities, inturn see the contrast between what I am able to produce on my own, and compare that with the content That has shut down the arguements of Doctors, lawyers, and university professors. More importantly the content that has shut you up, and left you with little more than name calling and personal attacks.

Quote:You understand what I'm saying right? If you can't even form your thoughts into correctly spelled words why are we even bothering with you and your "work" here.

Drich Wrote:

Cinjin Wrote:Feel free to link this post for your church members to read. If the rest of the sheep are as uneducated and lazy as you are, Jesus will be the only one who is humiliated.

Do you know how to avoid humilation? One must approach the situation humble, and devoid of pride. For Humiliation is the unintentional loss or taking of pride before a group. If i do not dress myself in the 'Emperor's cloths' as you and others take such great pride in, then what is lost when people see what I am really wearing? Because I come before all of you in my tattered cloths, the focous can be on content and not on the formality of what people like you prize. Subsequently (and this is something we have discussed before) It also gives people who need to feel some sort of superiority over christians/believers the oppertunity to do so with out sacerficing content. You have your out if you need to take it.

Drich Wrote:Paul had a similar issue in that he was given a thorn in his side that pervented him from teaching like he wanted to. He asked God 3 times to take the thorn from him. God said I gave you this thorn as a way to keep you humble.

Drich Wrote:My limited education is my thorn, (Or rather one of them) but like Paul I have learned to live on the Grace of God. Making everything I am and Every thing I have a gift from God. (As by your own recokening I left school without a basic education) what i Mean by this is if I have a serious short comming it is God's problem to either fix or cover in some way. Which He has done and has carried me to sucess in life by nearly anyones standards. This seems to even hold true here, because Appearently even in my terriable spelling you can still read enough into what was written to correct it, meaning the message was clear. Even though you did not address it directly, instead you decided to grade my paper..

You know what they say. Those who can do. Those who can't teach. Those who can't teach grade papers.

Drich Wrote:Let me know if you want to/are able to discuss the actual topic. In otherword let me know when you feel up to "doing" something about the content of this thread, and not just the window dressings you have framed out for yourself ;P

(January 20, 2013 at 8:18 pm)Drich Wrote:

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As I do not like to hijack other people's work (though often it seems that is exactly what happens 9 out of 10 times here.) I try and avoid it if I can. That is why I started this thread rather than take the other one off course.

I was going to start a law thread to clear up any misconceptions anyway once I felt the other two thread I am working on petered out.

In those two thread I said Christians are not bound by the law as a means to righteousness. But what does this mean exactly? Does it mean Christian's do not sin because the law does not apply? Does it mean the law does not apply to them in some way? Does it mean we are free from all laws?
In a word no.

Being free from the law as a way to righteousness means. We are not bound by the law as a way to prove out worthyness to enter Heaven/Be with God. Under the old covenant, Man's worthyness was based on works or rather based on the good deeds he had done, and the attoniment he offered for the sins he committed. (Basicly how most of you think christianity works present day.) This is based off of a legalist model of catholisim which takes it ques for OT Judaism. Which is steeped in doctrine and tradition of the church but scripturally empty. In essence Being free from the law means God does not look at how we follow the law as His measure to our worthyness. That is when we accept the attonement Christ offers. Christ sacerfice covers all of the short comings. All of the things we can not ever hope to up hold.

So if we are free from the law then why try and still follow it? Love. If we Love God with all of our being (Heart, Mind Spirit and Strength) as our greatest command tells us, then we will seek out His want and will for our lives. For if you Love someone with just your heart will you not try and please this person? Or will you cheat on them and do the things they hate? Now multiply that love against every fiber of your being and try and cause pain to the one that love is directed at. Love is what binds us to seeking out God's will. Not as a means to righteousness, but because we love God.

What of the passage in Mt 5 where Christ tells us not one letter of the law shall pass away? It hasn't. Meaning the Law is still valid as means of identifying sin. Once sin has been idenified in the believers life then one must atone. Which pushes the believer to seek the attonement christ offered for us. For without the Law the identification of sin would not be possiable, without being able to identify sin we could not seek attonement. Many will perish under the law, Meaning many will die unsaved because the law will still be in effect at the time of our judgement. This is why the doctrine of substituted morality is so damning. Because it allows a person to find a 'self' righteousness/rightness allowing them to substitute God's Perfect righteousness with their own version, and if one is 'morally right' in his own version of reality then he/she will never seek the attonement God offers.

So why do believers Get a pass? Because with in the Law their is a provision for attonement. Some of you have asked "why did God demand animal sacerfice in the OT?" It was to illustrate this provision of attonement, and the future sacerfice He was to make on our behalf. So No one could deny the power or authority of the sacerfice the lamb of God would make once and for all.

And again this sacerfice is avaiable for all who want to love God. (even if they do not know how yet.)