(January 21, 2013 at 4:18 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 21, 2013 at 2:59 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Please rephrase your eforts to fit the model FSM provided in...

FMS?

Wow, your spelling really is bad! It's only three letters! FSM = Flying Spaghetti Monster

Drich Wrote:

Darkstar Wrote:What? You aren't even trying to contact our Noodly Savior!?!

If someone tell you to meet them at the libary at 2:30 and you decide to wait for them at Mcdonalds at 3:00 Is it a resonable to expect to see them at McDonalds at 3:00? Further more is it their fault because you can not follow instructions.

False analogy. There is no time given in the instructions. He says "wait at McDonalds". He never shows up, and you leave. You are then told that either it was the wrong McDonalds (which was never specified) or that you didn't wait long enough (even though you waited for hours). This person refuses to say which McDonalds it is and when they will be there. To top it all off, you have never even met the person and you are just being told this from an anonymous source.

Drich Wrote:Again, it is not about trying harder. It is about following simply instructions. If you are not expected to Follow the directions of the God of the Universe, then why is it you expect the God of all Creation to do what you expect? Again who are you to will your authority over another man let alone the Lord of Creation.

God obviously doesn't want me to believe in him. If he did, he would just will it to happen. Literally no effort for someone omnipotent.

Drich Wrote:In EVERY single instance of people 'trying' to reach out to God their own admitted efforts did not follow what was laid out by Christ himself in Luke 11. Granted what I hear often times follows the doctrine of a major denomination of Christianity, but in the end still does not follow what the bible tells us.

So again if God tells you to do A and you do it your way instead or the catholic way or the Baptist way, instead of doing "A" as God instructed. Is God to blame?

Wrong McDonalds, huh? Ask, seek, knock is little more than a vaguely worded metaphor. How are we supposed to know what it means literally? It is deliberatley vague so anyone can just say
you're doing it wrong" if someone doesn't "find" god.

(January 22, 2013 at 1:15 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 21, 2013 at 10:58 pm)apophenia Wrote: Let another praise you, and not your own mouth;
A stranger, and not your own lips.

Proverbs 27:2

Have I praised myself here? If so where?

(January 21, 2013 at 5:01 pm)Drich Wrote: Which brings us full circle. How can I teach from a position of humility if i am so proud as to hide myself from you in what I call "The Emporor's new cloths?" I must humble myself before God and you people to serve. Unfortunatly where I need to serve Here requires alot of humility, something I am offering to teach by example.

Boasting about your humility is a form of pride. Here you are claiming to have a lot of humility, so much so that you would serve as a good example to those here. (Which, by the way, makes this self refuting. If you boast about your humility, you obviously aren't that humble. It's like a friend of mine used to say about being a lady. "If you have to tell someone you are one, then you aren't.")

In addition, you regularly boast of defeating or shutting down others whom you claim are, to their eyes, greater than you. Cinjin in this thread and myself in another. In this you resemble our new Muslim friend who regularly posts, "Response: Debunked, as usual," regardless of whether he's done any debunking, then, or ever. You seem to tell us how well you're doing and how poorly your antagonists are doing at every opportunity; I've never seen somebody gloat so much about his rhetorical victories as you do.

I am personally the best at being humble all the other humble people pale beside my mighty humbleness.

(January 22, 2013 at 1:35 pm)apophenia Wrote:

(January 22, 2013 at 1:15 am)Drich Wrote: Have I praised myself here? If so where?

(January 21, 2013 at 5:01 pm)Drich Wrote: Which brings us full circle. How can I teach from a position of humility if i am so proud as to hide myself from you in what I call "The Emporor's new cloths?" I must humble myself before God and you people to serve. Unfortunatly where I need to serve Here requires alot of humility, something I am offering to teach by example.

Boasting about your humility is a form of pride. Here you are claiming to have a lot of humility, so much so that you would serve as a good example to those here. (Which, by the way, makes this self refuting. If you boast about your humility, you obviously aren't that humble. It's like a friend of mine used to say about being a lady. "If you have to tell someone you are one, then you aren't.")

In addition, you regularly boast of defeating or shutting down others whom you claim are, to their eyes, greater than you. Cinjin in this thread and myself in another. In this you resemble our new Muslim friend who regularly posts, "Response: Debunked, as usual," regardless of whether he's done any debunking, then, or ever. You seem to tell us how well you're doing and how poorly your antagonists are doing at every opportunity; I've never seen somebody gloat so much about his rhetorical victories as you do.

Pride in of itself is not a sin. For Paul often boasts or speaks of his pride in How God works in his life and the life of others. He even goes so far as to relish his own weaknesses and short commings, because it gives him an oppertunity to boast about how God is working in his life. The boasting is not the issue. It is when one takes God's glory for himself that a sin is committed.

I think Context not content is what makes a statement sinfully proud or boastful. For example If one is describing the mechanics of how one is doing something whether the description is complmentry or not, is not an exercise in personal Pride. My intention was meant to inform, and even challenge you to put my claim to the test. It was not meant to be an advert on how great I am. (which is what turns this action into a sin)

As far as "shutting down someone greater than I" I was trying to mirror Pauls relishing of his own weakness, and celibration of how God used his weakness to show case His power and authority. For example if Cinjin is correct and I am an uneducated fool (to which I admited that I should have never graduated high school on a 4th grade reading and compersion level, confirming his claim) then one should ask why isn't he able to refute a simple minded man's arguement? Why does he always default to the simple person's personal short commings rather than tear apart the arguement? Or If the arguement is beyond the ablity of the uneducated person, then one should ask where do these arguements come from? Again I even go so far as to take myself out of the picture. The glory here not being mine, but to the God who has provided me with the discernment to answer your questions.

Scriptural examples of what i am trying to do here:

In 2 cor 11:16-33 Paul boasts of all he has endured in the name of God. This verse sums up why:
30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying.

which brings me to the verse that inspired this round of boasting:
2Cor 12:6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say, 7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Again I boast not of my own ablities but what God has done for me. You know more than anyone here my limits and depth of education. Honestly I sometimes dread having to address your arguements line by line. For out of everyone here, save one maybe two others I find myself at a loss, at the end of my ablities to answer or debate if i am not 100% (which was the final nail in the coffin last year for me which required that i take a break.) That said, I the face of the humbling failure I met against our last great debate still take the time to boast of my weakness, so that God maybe further elevated in what does indeed get accomplished here despite my short commings.

(January 22, 2013 at 1:57 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I am personally the best at being humble all the other humble people pale beside my mighty humbleness.

You haven't got a chance with me mate /sarcasm

I know I'm a million times as humble as thou art.

Yes you are. I am nothing. I am nothingness itself.

Quote: I am nothingness itself.

At once the most humble and the most boastful.

You may have my crown.

(January 22, 2013 at 3:03 am)cato123 Wrote: Drich/Catfish,

I'm curious? Why don't either of you talk about eating pussy? God this, god that. Jesus this, jesus that. Never a story about eating pussy.

When I was younger every time someone's pet went missing we'd get a knock on the door asking if we'd seen mr. Scuffles or huffalump or what ever. I just thought that is what people did when they lost a pet. They'd go door to door asking if anyone had seen their dog or cat. It turns out we'd were the only ones to get that knock because a neighbor said he saw my grand mother "cleaning" a cat for some smelly Korean dish. Now I never asked too many questions growing up, and if anything was too smelly I would not eat it, but I hear cat can taste like teriyaki beef if done correctly. (The Korean version being bul-go-gi) that I have eaten a lot of. Who's to say my hom-mo-nee did not slip us a kitty every now and again.

I know it is not the eating pussy story you wanted to hear, but it does meet the general request.
;p

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(January 22, 2013 at 9:30 am)Faith No More Wrote:

(January 21, 2013 at 5:05 pm)Drich Wrote: As i answered the first time this was asked a page ago, This principle came up two or three different times in the last two threads I was apart of. Appearently you all do not read each others offerings (as witnessed by this question again) So I thought if three of you were having issue then perhaps i should address this seperatly. (for those of you who were not apart of the orginal discussion)

Christian appearently saw the same pattern and started his own thread a couple days before my own, and not wanting to take anything over I decided to do what I had planned to do to begin with.

I will forgive your arrogance here, as it is clearly based on a failure in reading comprehension, and I am well aware that is not your strong suit. I shall quote myself to give you another chance.

Faith No More Wrote:I understand, Drich, that you started this thread to clarify a discussion from another...

So, clearly, I realize that you are trying to elaborate upon what you saw as confusion on this topic. What I want to know, however, is why you feel this topic is important enough to clarify and elaborate upon at all.

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Thom M Wrote:In law - there is a concept called depraved indifference or depraved ambivalence in which a person who KNOWS that some great crime will be committed - MUST do something to prevent or report it to the authorities.

Depraved indifference is actually when someone is responsible for another's death even though they did not intend to kill, but they acted with such a disregard for human life. An example is selling a fake vaccine and people dying from the disease they thought the vaccine was intended to prevent. I believe what you're referring to is not a crime in most places unless it is part of your job description, such as a police officer.

Why clarify? Because most of you point to you adherence to morality as if we somehow can find righteousness before God, by the things we do or do not do. Like your Padawan thomm. He has based his judgment of God on his moral understanding of the law, as if his law or his understanding of said law (flawed or not) is not the standard in which we are judged. Because if it were we would all be found guilty. What I am trying to do is dispel the OT ideals of works and righteousness, and try to explain what freedom from sin means.

To complete the thought above, we are told to judge not lest we be judged using the same measure we use against others. Now if Tom wants to get into a dick measuring contest with God to see who is more righteous, then that is on him. For me and what I bring to the table.. I know my 'morality' will not measure up to God's righteousness. That is why I seek attonement.