(February 4, 2013 at 7:38 pm)catfish Wrote: Dude, are you telling me that Jesus is my God?

What the fuck kind of strawman is that, really, when I've been quite open about my rejection of that bullshit?

What we have here is you trying to dictate to me what I'm supposed to believe, fuck that shit, try a different angle as that won't work here. Ask me questions if you must, just be very clear and concise because I will pick apart any ambiguities, strawmen, etc.
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I cannot figure out what the fuck you are saying most of the time. If you reject xtianity, say so.

If you reject other religious horseshit, say so.

At this point, I think you are just a spammer.

(February 4, 2013 at 8:33 pm)catfish Wrote: scriptural proof.

Ooh look mummy.. he added another word!

Now proof isn't enough. I now need to go guess at your unique fantasy and show you how you calling yourself 'christian' fits in with your hypothesis.

Talk about loaded.

I'm going to invest as much time in you as you have in me. Bad news is, you've got a lot of catching up to do.

I'll be waiting

dance puppet, dance!


(I'm still a Christian here)
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(February 4, 2013 at 3:13 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 4, 2013 at 1:49 pm)justin Wrote: when did i refue to entertain it? i just found you answer flaw and senseless. if i refused i would`ve never responded to your butthurt comments. but instead of giving me a logical response you just keep calling me close minded AND HAVE YET TO CATCH THE IRONY IN THE THIS CONVERSATION! hmmm i wonder if you ever will?

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umm i never related the two together. this is something i have been told over and over again by christians. thats where that came from. so that is based from this experiance(which is a common one shared from people who talk about their faith) of a god described as so.

So does this mean you are willing to look at what you understand to be God, with the same determination you have expressed for christians to defend they belief?

well if i was trying to grasp a christians logical understanding of their god(as relates to this story for example) what would it matter about my understanding of god? i mean the bible is how you define christianity right? so in reading it and asking questions about it would that imply that because our understanding are so different i develop a better understanding over the contradiction from a christians perspective that would make sense as to clear all or at least some of the confusion? while i may express frustration while doing this the fact that i do it is out of intention to give the other side to the story as to come to a conclusion that has considered both sides. therefore being open minded.......

(February 4, 2013 at 9:50 pm)justin Wrote:

(February 4, 2013 at 3:13 pm)Drich Wrote: So does this mean you are willing to look at what you understand to be God, with the same determination you have expressed for christians to defend they belief?

well if i was trying to grasp a christians logical understanding of their god(as relates to this story for example) what would it matter about my understanding of god? i mean the bible is how you define christianity right? so in reading it and asking questions about it would that imply that because our understanding are so different i develop a better understanding over the contradiction from a christians perspective that would make sense as to clear all or at least some of the confusion? while i may express frustration while doing this the fact that i do it is out of intention to give the other side to the story as to come to a conclusion that has considered both sides. therefore being open minded.......

We will see.

(February 4, 2013 at 9:50 pm)justin Wrote: well if i was trying to grasp a christians logical understanding of their god(as relates to this story for example) what would it matter about my understanding of god? i mean the bible is how you define christianity right? so in reading it and asking questions about it would that imply that because our understanding are so different i develop a better understanding over the contradiction from a christians perspective that would make sense as to clear all or at least some of the confusion? while i may express frustration while doing this the fact that i do it is out of intention to give the other side to the story as to come to a conclusion that has considered both sides. therefore being open minded.......

First you must determine if the "Christian" you are speaking to believes that the Bible is "infallible" or "inerrant".

This Christian (me), can conscientiously reject anything that isn't good. What's worse for "them", is that I can back up that position with scripture...
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(February 4, 2013 at 10:01 pm)catfish Wrote:

(February 4, 2013 at 9:50 pm)justin Wrote: well if i was trying to grasp a christians logical understanding of their god(as relates to this story for example) what would it matter about my understanding of god? i mean the bible is how you define christianity right? so in reading it and asking questions about it would that imply that because our understanding are so different i develop a better understanding over the contradiction from a christians perspective that would make sense as to clear all or at least some of the confusion? while i may express frustration while doing this the fact that i do it is out of intention to give the other side to the story as to come to a conclusion that has considered both sides. therefore being open minded.......

First you must determine if the "Christian" you are speaking to believes that the Bible is "infallible" or "inerrant".

This Christian (me), can conscientiously reject anything that isn't good. What's worse for "them", is that I can back up that position with scripture...
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didn`t you just get done discussing this with min?
i agreed with him on the conversation. thanks for sharing kitty

(February 3, 2013 at 10:29 pm)justin Wrote: so while reading this chapter i couldn`t help but to think a lot of wtf?
god knew that this king was wanting to kill Jesus Christ so i would`ve thought that this all powerful, all knowing all present, all loving all merciful god would have handled this situation a little better?

What makes you think God is all loving and all merciful? If we are discussing the God of the bible (the book you have pulled your quote from) then we need book chapter and verse to establish an all loving and all merciful God.

Quote: first thing why not just create a king that doesn`t want to kill the divine son of god?

Because at the time of Christ's birth, satan had power over this world as witnessed by the temptations of Christ. (It wouldn't be much of a temptation if what satan offered was not his to deliver.)

Quote:why do the wise men have to pretty much leave everything and everyone behind that they love and care for instead of god just inducing a heart attack on the evil king and before the king corrupts his son that would take his?

I think your confused for the reason the wise men came to Christ's side. They left to worship the coming king. Their first stop was the region's king because logically they would have thought he was born to him. When they told Herod the reason they were there he was enraged. It was their efforts to worship that set Herod off.

Quote: Or hell he is pretty good at mass genocide why not just use that shit right there and take out Jerusalem or just idk talk to them rationally and let them know what was going down or something I mean geese he god right?

because mass genocide was used to establish an earthly realm. Christ repeatedly said He was not here to set up an earthly realm.

Quote:Instead the wise men have to runaway then Joseph has to take his newborn demi god and run and hide while herod send his army to kill EVERY CHILD 0-2 YEARS OLD IN BETHELAHAM AND ALL THE COASTS THEREOF? WTF? THEN HE JUST KINDA LIVES OUT HIS LIFE AND DIES. So then has to secretly tell them that it is safe to go to Israel. They figure out that herods son took over so they went to Nazareth like a sharp left turn cause the all knowing god must not have saw that coming! Anyone wanna defend this story cause this just seems like a bad cia movie.

Look a little deeper. If you and your family were happy and safe where you were after fleeing from a monster, would you up root to the news that the son of the man you ran from was now in power?


Now lets see how open that mind really is..

(February 4, 2013 at 9:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(February 4, 2013 at 7:38 pm)catfish Wrote: Dude, are you telling me that Jesus is my God?

What the fuck kind of strawman is that, really, when I've been quite open about my rejection of that bullshit?

What we have here is you trying to dictate to me what I'm supposed to believe, fuck that shit, try a different angle as that won't work here. Ask me questions if you must, just be very clear and concise because I will pick apart any ambiguities, strawmen, etc.
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I cannot figure out what the fuck you are saying most of the time. If you reject xtianity, say so.

If you reject other religious horseshit, say so.

At this point, I think you are just a spammer.

Dude, wasn't it you who started the True Christian™ game a while back with me? If it wasn't you, I'm sure you got involved.
Someone else posted the definition, "someone who follows the teachings of Christ". Going by that definition, I'm a Christian, PERIOD!

So all of that pagan bullshit you (and others) claim is Christianity, I reject. Christ didn't teach it, you don't need to believe or support it.
Simple, concise, to the point.

('cause I like unsolicited scripture)
2 Corinthians 11:3-4
King James Version (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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(February 4, 2013 at 10:21 pm)Drich Wrote: [quote='justin' pid='395765' dateline='1359944947']
so while reading this chapter i couldn`t help but to think a lot of wtf?
god knew that this king was wanting to kill Jesus Christ so i would`ve thought that this all powerful, all knowing all present, all loving all merciful god would have handled this situation a little better?[quote/]

What makes you think God is all loving and all merciful? If we are discussing the God of the bible (the book you have pulled your quote from) then we need book chapter and verse to establish an all loving and all merciful God.

Quote: first thing why not just create a king that doesn`t want to kill the divine son of god?

Because at the time of Christ's birth, satan had power over this world as witnessed by the temptations of Christ. (It wouldn't be much of a temptation if what satan offered was not his to deliver.)

Quote:why do the wise men have to pretty much leave everything and everyone behind that they love and care for instead of god just inducing a heart attack on the evil king and before the king corrupts his son that would take his?[quote/] I think your confused for the reason the wise men came to Christ's side. They left to worship the coming king. Their first stop was the region's king because logically they would have thought he was born to him. When they told Herod the reason they were there he was enraged. It was their efforts to worship that set Herod off.

[quote] Or hell he is pretty good at mass genocide why not just use that shit right there and take out Jerusalem or just idk talk to them rationally and let them know what was going down or something I mean geese he god right? [quote/]because mass genocide was used to establish an earthly realm. Christ repeatedly said He was not here to set up an earthly realm.

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Instead the wise men have to runaway then Joseph has to take his newborn demi god and run and hide while herod send his army to kill EVERY CHILD 0-2 YEARS OLD IN BETHELAHAM AND ALL THE COASTS THEREOF? WTF? THEN HE JUST KINDA LIVES OUT HIS LIFE AND DIES. So then has to secretly tell them that it is safe to go to Israel. They figure out that herods son took over so they went to Nazareth like a sharp left turn cause the all knowing god must not have saw that coming! Anyone wanna defend this story cause this just seems like a bad cia movie.

Look a little deeper. If you and your family were happy and safe where you were after fleeing from a monster, would you up root to the news that the son of the man you ran from was now in power?


Now lets see how open that mind really is..

no i didn`t disagree with joseph. i would`ve keep away from those nut cases also. but he didn`t stay in eygpt he was on his way to jerusaluem( not sure if i spelled that right?) then god came to him again and said change of plans herods son took over and he`s bad too so go to nazerath. i mean i undertook the impression that god was a secret informant that wasn`t gonna do anything but just give joseph some tips here and there. my standards for a god like i said were higher and from the perception people have from the bible that i have dealt with. so with that said i was trying to get some a rational outside perspective to see if there was a better defense for this,as my opinion, bad cia movie. lol and what`s up with all those innocent children that herod ordered to death? like i said i found myself asking "wtf?" alot.

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just saw the rest of your statement that i completly overlooked my bad. give me a sec i will get you scripture and a response

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first: ok so are you saying that satan is just as powerful or more powerful than god? before anything else is`nt jesus god?

2nd: oh ok so herod didn`t send the wise men? he was mad cause they were going to worship someone else? then why if god was fond of sendin g them messages did he not tell them where jesus was so they didn`t get confused and start this whole mess. i mean children died because of this decision to ignore the results that he knew would come from the mistake so what`s up with that?

third; 4;31 deuteronomy for mercy and matthew 5;44 tells to model after him to love your enemy. and if your not his enemy he loves you.

fourth: an earthly realm? like the physical realm? what did he do that wasn`t of this realm when he was here? this doesn`t seem to make any sense.