Don't forget it also enables you to blow up abortion clinics and picket the funerals of soldiers.

(October 29, 2009 at 5:03 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Consolation has fuck all to do with the reality of the matter of whether "God" exists or not, your statement is bullshit.

You simply don't understand. This isn't intended to be a proof of God's existence. This merely shows that faith in God is consoling, and that such consolation is enabling to people who desire to give more of themselves here on earth.

Quote:And what on earth are you referring to when you say "enabled"?

Enabled to do more good.

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(October 29, 2009 at 5:08 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Well it enables you to blow up infidels. It enables you to stone women to death when they didn't scream hard enough when they got raped.

Dotard Wrote:Don't forget it also enables you to blow up abortion clinics and picket the funerals of soldiers.

I don't feel enabled to do any of those things. I wonder where I went wrong.

ecolox said:"This merely shows that faith in God is consoling, and that such consolation is enabling to people who desire to give more of themselves here on earth."

In other words you are admitting that faith in your god is a crutch? If I need consolation I can get that from family and friends. Also, I don't need your god to inspire me to do good deeds and make the most of this life I do just fine without the imaginary guy in the sky.

Quote:And what on earth are you referring to when you say "enabled"?

Quote:Enabled to do more good.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I can be as able or as you say "enabled" to do as much good as any christian or really any theist can. Belief in a magical invisible flying man in the sky does NOT in anyway make you a better person.

Quote:This should make it clear to you that faith is effective - making faith very reasonable to caring people. There is no hope for the unbeliever, which is why they are limited to an "ebb and flow" when it comes to doing good.

I strongly disagree.
Can you give examples of this good that we cannot do? I can do good on the same level as you can. Prove me wrong.

leo-rcc Wrote:Well it enables you to blow up infidels. It enables you to stone women to death when they didn't scream hard enough when they got raped.

Dotard Wrote:Don't forget it also enables you to blow up abortion clinics and picket the funerals of soldiers.

ecolox Wrote:I don't feel enabled to do any of those things.

So you are admitting then that you don't agree with the needlessly killing of innocent people? [/quote]

Quote: I wonder where I went wrong.

You are not obeying the "Word of God" (Bible)

(October 30, 2009 at 12:33 am)ecolox Wrote: You simply don't understand. This isn't intended to be a proof of God's existence. This merely shows that faith in God is consoling, and that such consolation is enabling to people who desire to give more of themselves here on earth.

Well then that means nothing because you can get your consolation from many things, not just God. And some would think that a delusional belief that consoles you may not always be the best thing.

And of course, this also makes out that you are perhaps more insecure than those who disbelieve in God and don't need such consoling.

And, as for myself 1. I see no reason to believe God actually exists 2. You've actually admitted that you haven't given me any, you are just arguing from the "consolation" of the matter (consolation to you anyway!). 3. I am perfectly secure as I am (well, more or less ) and I don't need such consolation 4. I actually care about the truth, and, if anything does console me more than anything else, to be honest, for me personally: It's the truth that does that. I hate denying reality.

EvF

Who here believe in the multiverse theory? Or that it is quite possible that there are many universes? If there is no multiverse there is a God because of how 'fine turned' the laws of physics are for life.

Discuss. lol

I don't believe in it because I know it's only a theory atm, and doesn't have evidence as far as I know? It's possible, but I dunno...

And you're wrong about the fine-tuning argument. A fine-tuned universe + a God requires more explanation than just a fine-tuned universe. Imagine how fucking fine-tuned God would have to be to either be there from the beginning or "outside time itself", or have "created himself", and do all that fine-tuning, without any explanation for himself whatsoever?

God just complicates the problem even further.

EvF

Spot on EvF!
Jolly good show.

The "fine tuning" shit doesn't point to a creator(god like thing). Adding god into the equation just raises more questions and complicates things further. Like how fine tuned would god have to be in order to create such a fine tuned universe? Also why would god create it? What does he gain out of creating something if he is perfect in every way? What is the purpose of god's existence if he cannot be anything more than what he is? What evidence is there to say that a god exists? See how adding god into it just raises more questions?
The universe is big, dangerous, not made for us and is filled with ungathered knowledge. Adding an unprovable supernatural, flying, invisible all knowing all perfect being will ONLY raise more questions and will not help in anyway when it comes to gaining knowledge.

(October 30, 2009 at 2:50 am)chatpilot Wrote: ecolox said:"This merely shows that faith in God is consoling, and that such consolation is enabling to people who desire to give more of themselves here on earth."

In other words you are admitting that faith in your god is a crutch? If I need consolation I can get that from family and friends. Also, I don't need your god to inspire me to do good deeds and make the most of this life I do just fine without the imaginary guy in the sky.

If you want to call it that go ahead. I get consolation from God through faith, I can always rely on this - and, when they volunteer, from friends, family, fellow believers, and others.

I'm sure you don't need my sky daddy to live as you'd like. I don't know what good you think you're doing though.

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(October 30, 2009 at 6:17 am)Ace Wrote:

Quote:Enabled to do more good.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I can be as able or as you say "enabled" to do as much good as any christian or really any theist can. Belief in a magical invisible flying man in the sky does NOT in anyway make you a better person.

Ok.
How?

Quote:Can you give examples of this good that we cannot do? I can do good on the same level as you can. Prove me wrong.

Sustained, secret good, such that you are not rewarded. This isn't a competition, by the way...though I'm sure you'd put on a great show in order to "win" against me.

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(October 30, 2009 at 6:36 am)Craveman Wrote:

ecolox Wrote:I don't feel enabled to do any of those things.

So you are admitting then that you don't agree with the needlessly killing of innocent people?

I'd rather innocents live. I can do my best to figure things out, but ultimately I'm not the Judge.

Quote:

Quote: I wonder where I went wrong.

You are not obeying the "Word of God" (Bible)

Show me.