(February 4, 2013 at 12:11 am)Drich Wrote: Are my 'neighbors' Jews? Read the passage you posted. What does the very first part say? To whom does God make this covenant?

Your neighbors are everyone. Are you implying heathens don't have God's law?
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(February 4, 2013 at 12:35 am)catfish Wrote:

(February 4, 2013 at 12:11 am)Drich Wrote: Are my 'neighbors' Jews? Read the passage you posted. What does the very first part say? To whom does God make this covenant?

Your neighbors are everyone. Are you implying heathens don't have God's law?
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Read it again fishy, and tell me who God is speaking to, your 'neighbors' or to the Jews He starts out this passage with.


Hebrews 8:10

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

So tell me again fishy who are these 'neighbors?'

Romans 2 brother, you're not fucking special...

Try some different bait, you may catch me next time.
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(February 4, 2013 at 10:59 am)catfish Wrote: Romans 2 brother, you're not fucking special...

Try some different bait, you may catch me next time.
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I thought catfish and red herring were two separate species, for it seems to have merged the two. I maybe wrong, and if I am then take this as an opportunity to explain wft Romans 2 has to do with a covenant God made to the Jews in the book of Hebrews.

Really, you're asking me to explain Romans 2 to ya?
I won't be spoon-feeding knowledge to you, you must do that for yourself.
I hinted, follow the hint.
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(February 4, 2013 at 6:01 pm)catfish Wrote: Really, you're asking me to explain Romans 2 to ya?
I won't be spoon-feeding knowledge to you, you must do that for yourself.
I hinted, follow the hint.
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There is no direct correlation between Romans 2 and the promise God made in Hebrews 8 other than a poorly executed diversionary tatic. You made a statement saying or challenging me to explain to you why the prophesy in heb8 has not come to pass. I pointed to the first part of that book chapter and verse to explain to you that the promise was made specifically to the Jews. You insisted that it was made to 'neighbors' which according to you ment everyone, to which I asked you to scripturaly show me, that where it says in the bible when god made the promise to the Jews in heb 8 that he meant 'everyone' as you have indicated.

To which you replied Romans 2. Subsequently I asked you to point out book chapter And Verse. You reply was another diversionary tatic. This is your last chance fishy. If you want to be apart of an adult conversation then it is up to you to keep pace. For when an man asks another man to clarify his position an honorable man will do so. If you intentions are not honorable then I have nothing more to discuss with you.

No chapters and verses for you (yet). Read it yourself.

Read, if you deny what is written there one more time I promise I will lay out my argument chapter and verse for you to see.
(pay attention to verses 1-3 for your own benefit) (remember, Romans 2 and read to the end)
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The sign of a real Christian is exactly what Drich did. When faced with the truth about their exclusionary doctrines, they will refuse to continue discussion.
If nothing else Drich, I am 100% certain that you are not a sock...

Romans 2
New International Version (NIV)

God’s Righteous Judgment
2 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

Commentary shouldn't be needed, but the above verse states that all will be judged by their works with no favoritism exhibited. (also a warning to not be angry if another person is forgiven)


12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Clearly states that even if a person doesn't have the "written law" he still has the law written on their hearts. So, you don't need Jesus according to these verses, you need to be a good person.


The Jews and the Law
17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”[b.]
25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Soooo, fuck you Drich, according to these verses, being Jewish is an inward thing, something you have no clue about... By the Spirit...
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(February 6, 2013 at 7:46 pm)catfish Wrote: The sign of a real Christian is exactly what Drich did. When faced with the truth about their exclusionary doctrines, they will refuse to continue discussion.
If nothing else Drich, I am 100% certain that you are not a sock...

Romans 2
New International Version (NIV)

God’s Righteous Judgment
2 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

Commentary shouldn't be needed, but the above verse states that all will be judged by their works with no favoritism exhibited. (also a warning to not be angry if another person is forgiven)


12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Clearly states that even if a person doesn't have the "written law" he still has the law written on their hearts. So, you don't need Jesus according to these verses, you need to be a good person.


The Jews and the Law
17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”[b.]
25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Soooo, fuck you Drich, according to these verses, being Jewish is an inward thing, something you have no clue about... By the Spirit...
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Before your breaking your arm tring to pat yourself on the back, know you still have to tie Romans to to Hebrews 8.

I don't have to, verses 28+29 did that just fine...
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