(February 8, 2013 at 12:46 am)iameatingjam Wrote: some atheists do good things
some atheists do bad things
some theists do good things
some theists do bad things

what does pointing out one atheist murderer prove? What about the countless wars, genocide, witchhunts, suicide bombers started by religious fanatics? I don't go around saying christians are murderers just because some happen to be.

Quote:With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg

Every theist should study Weinberg's comment over and over until it sinks into your thick, fucking, god-buggering heads!

(February 8, 2013 at 11:30 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg

Every theist should study Weinberg's comment over and over until it sinks into your thick, fucking, god-buggering heads!

Weinberg forgot about the Communism ideology.

No "god."

(February 8, 2013 at 11:57 am)Minimalist Wrote: No "god."

Are you saying that murdering millions of people for the Communist political ideology was OK because Communism isn't a religion with a deity?

The thing about atheists is

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
(22:19)
Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)

murder isn't a key element of atheism.

(February 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)Ryantology Wrote: The thing about atheists is

murder isn't a key element of atheism.

Nobody's saying it is a key element of atheism. I just think atheists are lucky that some atheist nutcases haven't created an ideology of atheism where slaying theists wherever you find them is a key element of that ideology.

(February 8, 2013 at 12:11 pm)Confused Ape Wrote:

(February 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)Ryantology Wrote: The thing about atheists is

murder isn't a key element of atheism.

Nobody's saying it is a key element of atheism. I just think atheists are lucky that some atheist nutcases haven't created an ideology of atheism where slaying theists wherever you find them is a key element of that ideology.

It isn't!!!!



I joke of course.

(February 8, 2013 at 12:11 pm)Confused Ape Wrote:

(February 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)Ryantology Wrote: The thing about atheists is

murder isn't a key element of atheism.

Nobody's saying it is a key element of atheism. I just think atheists are lucky that some atheist nutcases haven't created an ideology of atheism where slaying theists wherever you find them is a key element of that ideology.

I was addressing the OP more than anyone else.

The one thing is, I think any atheist attempting to do something like that would have a much harder time finding success. If you want to convince people to kill, invoking an all-powerful and all-psychotic god is a great way to get their attention. Getting people to kill for a lack of a god is certainly not an impossible concept, but one which seems much less likely get you more than a few adherents.

(February 8, 2013 at 12:39 pm)Ryantology Wrote: The one thing is, I think any atheist attempting to do something like that would have a much harder time finding success. If you want to convince people to kill, invoking an all-powerful and all-psychotic god is a great way to get their attention. Getting people to kill for a lack of a god is certainly not an impossible concept, but one which seems much less likely get you more than a few adherents.

A nutcase ideology wouldn't need more than a few adherents in order to cause trouble. A nutcase could even cause trouble when he/she is the only member of an ideology they've come to believe in.

There can't be an ideology of atheism for the same reason there can't be an ideology of theism. You can have an atheistic ideology, which isn't the same thing.

And for what it's worth, Dahmer didn't claim he killed because of atheism, he claimed atheism didn't stop him from killing. Of course it didn't, it's not an ideology, it doesn't justify any action or inaction. Normal people don't need a justification not to murder, because they don't want to murder anybody. Nobody kills in the name of atheism OR theism. Where ideology or religion enters into it, it's a specific ideology or religion, and not a synonym for atheism or theism.