(February 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 8, 2013 at 1:30 pm)Chuck Wrote: I draw your attention to this "Drich"'s attempt to argue that if christians burned a witch, it is the witch's fault.

Of course if the witches burned him, I think he should just suck it up and be grateful for the flame.

I knew I should have connected the dots a little more clearly for the slower among you. Let me clear things up by asking you to provide Book Chapter and verse that commands Christians to burn witches. if none can be found then "Christians" did not burned a witch. But what do you do? You go on a witch hunt of your own and blame Christians even though this was clearly not a biblically sanctioned act. Do you truly not see the Irony?

It is to be found exactly half way between "if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins" and "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death".

Now amuse us with your quibbling.

Jeremiah 8:8
New International Version (NIV)

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the Lord,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?

The scribes lied, God never commanded it...
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(February 8, 2013 at 5:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(February 8, 2013 at 4:52 pm)Drich Wrote: can you explain how you think this is a case of special pleading?

Certainly. In this case, you have urged anyone interested to follow the instructions you say are written in scripture to obtain enlightenment, or whatever phrase you want to plug in there. Doing so in the manner you say you have done will yield the stated results. CD and others have explained that they have done just as you say, not once and then giving up but persisting in it for many years, without any result. To them, this means there is nothing to find and nothing to ask, or at least that the prescribed method does not work. To you, it means that they did something wrong, though you base this conclusion on the lack of result rather than knowledge of what they actually did (since you could not possibly know). In other words, it looks like this:

D: Hey, try pressing this button; you get chocolate!
CD: [presses button] It doesn't seem to work.
D: Oh, it works alright. Try pressing harder!
CD: [presses harder] Nope.
D: Come on - you nearly had it!
[CD keeps pressing; nothing happens]
D: You've got to want it more than that! Maybe you just don't believe enough!

Ten years later...

D: ... Oh, come on, you're just not trying!
CD: This damn thing's got to be broken!
D: Well, it worked for me. Obviously you didn't want chocolate in the first place.

And so on. Special pleading. The button works every time, but only if your heart is pure, you really want it to work, you press it precisely as it wants to be pressed etc etc etc.

Translation: Drich is really good at pushing buttons and Cthulhu Dreaming isn't... (sorry, couldn't resist)
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I actually laughed at that. The lithium must have just kicked in.

I have an alternative explation, that in the interests of decorum I'll keep to myself.

Drich will eat shit so long as he can convince himself that eating it seems to afford what he imagine to be the feeling of eating chocolate.

We actually care what the same brown stuff he then try to sell as chocolate really is.

(February 8, 2013 at 5:42 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I have an alternative explation, that in the interests of decorum I'll keep to myself.

I just read your mind (we prophets can do that sometimes). CD, you naughty minx! Save that stuff for Area 69!

(February 8, 2013 at 5:27 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(February 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote: I knew I should have connected the dots a little more clearly for the slower among you. Let me clear things up by asking you to provide Book Chapter and verse that commands Christians to burn witches. if none can be found then "Christians" did not burned a witch. But what do you do? You go on a witch hunt of your own and blame Christians even though this was clearly not a biblically sanctioned act. Do you truly not see the Irony?

It is to be found exactly half way between "if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins" and "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death".

Now amuse us with your quibbling.

You do know that this forum us dedicated to discussing the Christian Faith correct?? Or is that why you left off the Book title off of your quote.

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(February 8, 2013 at 5:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(February 8, 2013 at 4:52 pm)Drich Wrote: can you explain how you think this is a case of special pleading?

Certainly. In this case, you have urged anyone interested to follow the instructions you say are written in scripture to obtain enlightenment, or whatever phrase you want to plug in there. Doing so in the manner you say you have done will yield the stated results. CD and others have explained that they have done just as you say, not once and then giving up but persisting in it for many years, without any result. To them, this means there is nothing to find and nothing to ask, or at least that the prescribed method does not work. To you, it means that they did something wrong, though you base this conclusion on the lack of result rather than knowledge of what they actually did (since you could not possibly know). In other words, it looks like this:

D: Hey, try pressing this button; you get chocolate!
CD: [presses button] It doesn't seem to work.
D: Oh, it works alright. Try pressing harder!
CD: [presses harder] Nope.
D: Come on - you nearly had it!
[CD keeps pressing; nothing happens]
D: You've got to want it more than that! Maybe you just don't believe enough!

Ten years later...

D: ... Oh, come on, you're just not trying!
CD: This damn thing's got to be broken!
D: Well, it worked for me. Obviously you didn't want chocolate in the first place.

And so on. Special pleading. The button works every time, but only if your heart is pure, you really want it to work, you press it precisely as it wants to be pressed etc etc etc.

Allow me to fix your squewed view:

D:"The book" say press this button for chocolate. (D press the button and gets chocolate)
CD: why didn't I get chocolate?
D: Did you press this button?
CD: No but I really Really want chocolate!
D: Then press this button
CD:But I have been pressing this button for 20 years. I deserve chocolate!
D:It's simple do this and get chocolate.
CD and Now SB: But everyone is pressing this button, and they are sincere.
Did they press the button "The book" told you to press?
SB: Special pleading.
D:Special pleading because you haven't done what you have been instructed to do, but still feel your entitled to chocolate?
SB No special pleading because you said we were not sincere enough!
D:What the Hell are you talking about? I have only ever asked did you do what the book said? Sincerity has absolutly nothing to do with "Getting Chocolate."
SB:Even though you said that like 100 times i will still insist that it is about sincerity, because this is the standard Atheist arguement against your position and I will argue it even though it has nothing to do with what your actually saying. Because you need to know I am opposed to the very principle, even if I do not know how to address the actual elements of your case.
D: So noted, so dismiss what i have said and lets move on, so those who are still trying to figure this out can do so on their own.

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(February 8, 2013 at 5:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I actually laughed at that. The lithium must have just kicked in.

That is like the 3rd reference to lithium this week, is "one of you" trying to tell us something?

(February 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 8, 2013 at 5:27 pm)Chuck Wrote: It is to be found exactly half way between "if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins" and "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death".

Now amuse us with your quibbling.

You do know that this forum us dedicated to discussing the Christian Faith correct?? Or is that why you left off the Book title off of your quote.

That's fell completely flat. You need to quibble better.

(February 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm)Drich Wrote: Allow me to fix your squewed view:

D:"The book" say press this button for chocolate. (D press the button and gets chocolate)
CD: why didn't I get chocolate?
D: Did you press this button?
CD: No but I really Really want chocolate!
D: Then press this button
CD:But I have been pressing this button for 20 years. I deserve chocolate!
D:It's simple do this and get chocolate.
CD and Now SB: But everyone is pressing this button, and they are sincere.
Did they press the button "The book" told you to press?
SB: Special pleading.
D:Special pleading because you haven't done what you have been instructed to do, but still feel your entitled to chocolate?
SB No special pleading because you said we were not sincere enough!
D:What the Hell are you talking about? I have only ever asked did you do what the book said? Sincerity has absolutly nothing to do with "Getting Chocolate."
SB:Even though you said that like 100 times i will still insist that it is about sincerity, because this is the standard Atheist arguement against your position and I will argue it even though it has nothing to do with what your actually saying. Because you need to know I am opposed to the very principle, even if I do not know how to address the actual elements of your case.
D: So noted, so dismiss what i have said and lets move on, so those who are still trying to figure this out can do so on their own.

Reading comprehension fail. I did A/S/K, despite your claims to the contrary.

We're done here. Your distortion of what I said combined with endless goalpost moving tells me talking to you is a pointless waste of time.

(February 8, 2013 at 6:25 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(February 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm)Drich Wrote: You do know that this forum us dedicated to discussing the Christian Faith correct?? Or is that why you left off the Book title off of your quote.

That's fell completely flat. You need to quibble better.

Book chapter and verse for your reference please.