(February 10, 2013 at 1:59 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(February 10, 2013 at 1:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Is Drich an Old Testament Jew? Then why would he practice New Testament Christianity by following Old Testament Judaism?

Oh yes! I'm terribly sorry, I'd forgotten that women in the past didn't feel pain and had no trouble with being burnt alive. I'm sure they were ok with it. Now burning a woman alive today would be wrong because it would hurt, and women just aren't in to that thing anymore. Besides, the eternal never changing god changed his mind about that anyway. Right?

What are you talking about Brakeman? I only pointed out that in your reference to the Pentatuche, you were speaking about a completely seperate Religion. Remember you all have Put Christianity on trial here not OT Judaism. That means you must judge Christianity by the rules that Govern that religion not a religion that has not been activly practiced for nearly 2000 years.

That would be like me holding you responsiable for something that the Koran says. How does that even make sense?

(February 10, 2013 at 3:36 pm)Drich Wrote: I only pointed out that in your reference to the Pentatuche, you were speaking about a completely seperate Religion. Remember you all have Put Christianity on trial here not OT Judaism.

Whoa! really? So you're saying that the OT jewish god is a completely different god than jesus' dad? That judaism and christianity are completely separate religions?

What percent of the rest of the known universe agrees with you there Drich?

So jesus was a jew, but not a OT jew. The temple where he first taught was a jewish temple, but completely different and unrelated to the other judean jewish temples. So when jesus spoke of Moses in Mark 7:10, he was talking about an entirely different guy named Moses completely unrelated to the basket boy Moses that parted the red sea.

Is there anyone else on the planet you live on Drich? Are there others that hold the position that the OT Jewish religion is completely unrelated to the christian religion? Got any links for that position?

(February 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm)Drich Wrote: .. you are still insistent that Christians are bound by Jewish Law.

I didn't make this claim. I said it is the exact same god. It was jesus' father that said these words. The same unchanging god. Whether or not christians can make an out for themselves to avoid the chore of burning witches is not the point. The point is that it is jesus' dad that said to do this horrific thing. Jesus himself was born into this OT jewish religion and walked among the jewish throng that believed that this is the right thing to do. Did jesus correct them by saying that daddy was wrong about that? Did jesus say "forget all those old rules, my dad was just being an ass?" Do you think that in all the 33 years of his life down here he never once heard of anyone talk about killing witches? When jesus went into the temples, did he say to the rabbis that they had it a little bit wrong, or everything wrong to the point of calling them a completely different religion?

(February 10, 2013 at 9:48 pm)Esquilax Wrote: You really don't get it, do you? Your personal beliefs disagree with both the bible itself, and the beliefs of mainstream christianity in most denominations. If you want to field strip the bible to get your own personal moral code then that's fine, but you need to get it through your head that your personal beliefs don't magically become the one true definition of christianity. There are other christians, they have beliefs that are different from yours, and you are not the king of the bible who can decide that they aren't true christians.

If I call myself a Fireman, does it make me one? What if i drive a red truck and own a fire extingusher? Am I an offical fireman then? No. I am not. Like wise if a person who calls himself Christian or commits acts in the name of God, can not support his actions biblically, then his acts whether be deemed good bad or indifferent they are not 'Christian' in orgin despire what he may believe.

Quote:Tell me again why your personal beliefs matter when determining the motivations of a separate group of people in another country?

No matter where we live all 'christians' answer to the same bible. It is this bible that we can use to inspect the spiritual 'Fruit' of another.

Quote:I certainly label the ones who burnt someone at the stake for being a witch as witch hunters. And once again, two distinct exhortations to kill witches. Two.

Not only that you have used this one incodent to condemn a whole community

Quote:Alright, then let me ask you this: does the old testament reflect the will of the same god as the new testament?

The Old Testament reflects the Expressed will of god without the benfit or the filter of attonement. Once attonement had been established 'righteousness' through the law was made impossiable.
Again, OT Jews Had to follow the Law to find Righteousness, Christians are found Righteous Apart from the law. That is what makes them two completely seperate religions.

Quote:Your beliefs do not equal christianity.

Neither do yours. that what the bible is for. Again if their deeds can not be found in the bible as a governing light Christians exhibit, then their deeds were not Christian in nature.

Quote:you think it's less likely that 96% christian Papua New Guinea got their beliefs from a biblical source?

Here you go again with that bigotted thinking. You have painted the whole "96%" of that country in a negitive light just so you can attack Christianity. I have no idea where the people of Papua New Guinea get their beliefs. If they get them from the Nt of the bible then their deeds subsequently their actions can be labled as Christian in orgin. If not then they have created their own religion based off of Biblical Christianity..
The two are not the same thing.


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Quote:If I call myself a Fireman, does it make me one? What if i drive a red truck and own a fire extingusher? Am I an offical fireman then? No. I am not. Like wise if a person who calls himself Christian or commits acts in the name of God, can not support his actions biblically, then his acts whether be deemed good bad or indifferent they are not 'Christian' in orgin despire what he may believe.

How are you not getting this? You don't get to decide who is christian and who isn't! Your personal beliefs don't matter to anyone but you. Do you not understand that people can disagree with what you think, and their opinions and beliefs aren't somehow inferior just because they aren't yours? Do you not understand that your entire position here is the No True Scotsman fallacy? Do you not understand that you aren't the adjudicator of other people's beliefs? Or maybe you don't, maybe that's the problem. Maybe you're so unbelievably arrogant that you actually think your opinion matters more than anything else, at all times.

I've shown you where these people can justify their actions biblically, and you dismiss it out of hand based on nothing more than your own opinions, despite what's literally written down in your holy book. Being that you're not the king of religion, I feel like you lack a certain credibility there.

Quote:No matter where we live all 'christians' answer to the same bible. It is this bible that we can use to inspect the spiritual 'Fruit' of another.

Everyone except you, apparently, given how much you twist the bible to suit your purposes.

Quote:Not only that you have used this one incodent to condemn a whole community

Do I condemn the hundred or so people who stood by as an innocent woman burned to death? Yeah, I do. Shouldn't you?

Quote:The Old Testament reflects the Expressed will of god without the benfit or the filter of attonement. Once attonement had been established 'righteousness' through the law was made impossiable.
Again, OT Jews Had to follow the Law to find Righteousness, Christians are found Righteous Apart from the law. That is what makes them two completely seperate religions.

So, god had to be an evil, spiteful monster, in order to become a good guy later? And you're perfectly okay with believing that? Seriously?

Quote:Neither do yours. that what the bible is for. Again if their deeds can not be found in the bible as a governing light Christians exhibit, then their deeds were not Christian in nature.

And let me guess, you're the one who gets to decide what actions are christian or not? You're just ignoring the parts of the bible that don't suit your purposes, and the problem with that is, the bible can be twisted to justify almost anything. Only those two quotes I gave you? Pretty explicit, can't be shifted to mean something else.

Neither can Malachi 3:6, by the way. Maybe look it up.

Quote:Here you go again with that bigotted thinking. You have painted the whole "96%" of that country in a negitive light just so you can attack Christianity.

Not at all. I merely mention it to show you that statistically speaking these people were more likely to be christian than not. But you need to stop calling me a bigot, you jacked up simpleton. Because I'm not condemning the entire community, nor the race. I condemn the people who committed the crime, as I should. But I'm also not going to give the religion that probably inspired it a pass, either. Religion isn't special or immune to criticism. When it does wrong, when people do evil in its name, I'm going to have harsh words for it, too. Unlike you, who simply labels those people not christian anymore based on the amazing cosmic power to alter people's beliefs that you don't have, and move on.

Quote: I have no idea where the people of Papua New Guinea get their beliefs. If they get them from the Nt of the bible then their deeds subsequently their actions can be labled as Christian in orgin. If not then they have created their own religion based off of Biblical Christianity..
The two are not the same thing.

Seriously, is your whole argument No True Scotsman? Weak.