(February 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm)AtlasS Wrote: If you believe in god, you'll pick up a religion.
If you don't believe in god, you'll pick up a different ideology other than religion.

Then if you're just an atheist, your motivation would be either to go akimbo like Dahmer, or pick up an ideology to govern your life. How do you differentiate between what is right & what is wrong without laws & ideologies ?

Can you substantiate that? I have been an atheist for at least as long as I can remember, and I have never yet felt the urge to pull a Dahmer. Yes, I have a system of beliefs and standards by which I govern my life, which you mischaracterise as an ideology, but that is not atheism even though they may be consistent with it.

(February 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm)AtlasS Wrote:

Quote:I notice you still didn't acknowledge whether Dahmer was a man of faith like you or you are an atheist like him by dint of you holding the exact same opinion.

What kind of question is that ? forcing me to two choices which are a production of your own mind, rather than the true possibilities ? that's more like an MCQ without the right answer.

It's an honest question arising from the point of view you yourself raised. If confronting it head-on makes you uncomfortable, perhaps it's an indication that you ought to reappraise your point of view, or at least your attitude towards it.

(February 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Add the possibility that Dahmer reached a conclusion based on logical thinking that he did, which I agree on, it doesn't mean I'm an atheist, it doesn't mean he's a man of faith.

Yet you agree with the belief he stated. There has to be a point of convergence between the two of you somewhere, if that's the case.

(February 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm)AtlasS Wrote: It doesn't mean I have the mentality of a serial killer, it also doesn't mean that he had the mentality of a muslim !

Just like agreeing with darwin on evolution, it doesn't mean I'm an atheist, it doesn't mean that darwin was a muslim.

Quite right. Not all atheists are serial killers just as not all theists are, let alone all muslims, and I wasn't saying that. You are most insistent that Dahmer's opinions of the lack of gods to inhibit our actions justifying extreme behaviour means that he was an atheist. My argument is that as atheistic positions go, this is the most overtly theistic. If I were to post Dahmer's comments as presented by you and then follow it up with you agreeing with them, then ask a third party to spot the atheist, do you honestly think they could do so?

(February 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm)AtlasS Wrote: So your turn now, to agree with you on a single thing, means that I must share your same faith ?

By itself, clearly not, as I've already explained (inasmuch as I have faith in this context anyway). However it would depend one the point of agreement. Were I to say "I don't believe in gods" and you agreed, it would generally be concluded that we are both atheists.

(February 8, 2013 at 6:00 pm)Annik Wrote: Stimbo, he needs to justify this hate for some reason. That's what this is about.

Good point. I think we'll have to start charging him for it. I hear therapists get paid by the hour for this stuff.

(February 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm)AtlasS Wrote:

(February 7, 2013 at 2:44 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: What is the point of posting this? I'm pretty sure we all know that atheists can be murderers too, just not because of some affinity to a deity.

Well, some atheists love to spread propaganda in religious sections, they bring a crime took place in a religious country by savage people who are encouraged by lust, rape & plunder, then those atheists attach the crime on that religion.

Actually, I've never seen an atheist do that. There are tons and tons and tons of cases where religious people are quite open about their motivations and causes for their actions. They specifically say they kill because of their beliefs. However, it's the religious who spend a lot of time trying to claim that non-theists like Stalin and Mao killed because of their atheism, when they can produce no statements from either that even imply that atheism had anything to do with their actions. Stalin had a mustache too. Did that cause him to kill people? I think not.

(February 8, 2013 at 5:53 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Atheism is the lack of belief in god/s, deities, and other assorted character. That's it. There is no ideology involved with atheism, and any ideology which people use to justify any actions are not atheism. Thus atheism is no more dangerous than a lack of hair, or a preference for chocolate ice cream over an intolerance for pistachio. If you want to discuss ideologies as motivators for hatred and murder, don't do it in the atheism subforum. After all, it makes just as much sense as discussing baseball in a forum devoted to bakery.

He's starting to remind of that old Irish joke...."is it the protestant god or the catholic god you don't believe in?"

(February 8, 2013 at 4:21 pm)AtlasS Wrote: and "fuck your god" is a statement that is hateful, offensive to me & my believe.

I could not possibly care less if I tried. Your belief is repulsive. Allah is a psychopathic cuntrag. Fuck him and your backwards death cult.

You can insult atheism all you like, as harshly as I have, to which I would cite Stimbo's religious views: D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F.?

Quote:I think if I replaced god with "father/mother/you", it would be a direct personal attack.

I guess it would be, but again, you couldn't pay me to give a damn. I'm not a thin-skinned little snowflake as you seem to be.

Quote:Open up the links. They have every brutal untold detail. Maybe then you'll know why muslims are blowing themselves up at any american they see.

The only thing I can care less about than the previous two statements is how you justify your religion's official sanction of mass murder... much of which is directed at other Muslims. How do you explain that, I wonder.

Sorry for the interruption. I haven't posted anything hateful and inflammatory in at least 24 hours, so I figured I had a quota to fulfill.

(February 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Then if you're just an atheist, your action would be either to go akimbo like Dahmer, or pick up an ideology to govern your life even if that ideology is your own invention, if that's the case, then it was influenced by another ideology. How do you differentiate between what is right & what is wrong without laws & ideologies ?

This is something which puzzles many theists. I think there's a clue in what is known as the Golden Rule

Quote:The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim,[1] ethical code, or morality[2] that essentially states either of the following:
(Positive form of Golden Rule): One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.[1]
(Negative form of Golden Rule): One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated.

This has turned up in religions and philosophies all around the world for thousands of years.

Quote:This concept can be explained from the perspective of psychology, philosophy, sociology, and religion. Psychologically, it involves a person empathizing with others. Philosophically, it involves a person perceiving their neighbor as also "an I" or "self."[3][4] Sociologically, this principle is applicable between individuals, between groups, and also between individuals and groups. (For example, a person living by this rule treats all people with consideration, not just members of his or her in-group). Religion is an integral part of the history of this concept.[1][5]

If a human is incapable of empathising with others, religion won't turn them into a decent human being. They'll use religion to gain power and make money etc. If a human can empathise with others they will be a decent human being even if they don't believe in any deity.

Caring people are working for things like human rights, disaster aid, conservation and animal welfare etc. Many of them are religious while others are not. Uncaring people are out to grab whatever they can for themselves. Many of them are religious while others are not.

you have bad and good people in ever religion,like Martin Luther King was a good Christian and hitler was a bad one same is with islam,muslis,... also atheists have bad people like stalin but if one guy in a religion is an psychopath that does not mean every one in that religion are psychos.

So stop with oh he was a christian he was a atheist. Criminals are the production of the society not religion.

(February 8, 2013 at 3:37 pm)AtlasS Wrote: It was this
http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/09/02/u...-gulf-war/

Yep the USA is terrible, I've said it many times. They continue to torture, have a continued trade embargo with Cuba and do things that are horrible. That doesn't excuse anything that Islam does though.

As for you pointing at the Jews and claiming they're more barbaric than Islam - I do not think so.

(February 8, 2013 at 3:20 pm)AtlasS Wrote: So when I decide to leave, comments full of hatred & full with grudge & sick thoughts are thrown against me.
The best time to brutalize someone online is when that someone is not there.
Yet the most annoying part is the ignoring of everything I said about mutual respect & force the most racist ideas without any consideration for the offer I just made in this post for atheists : PEACE. which you just ignored.

Do you know what this topic represents now ? it represents the atheist extremist hate to any religious person on this earth, PERSONAL HATE.
This topic proves that any atheist is ready to use racism, insults, lies & hypocrisy to prove a point.
You people deny for the sake of denying ; it was never about logic, it was always about hatred, you are sick people.

But especially for people like Ryantology , minimalist and apophenia, I say that you're the most sick haters I have ever seen, damn you and damn your believes. You are sick, impolite & above all : looks like your parents never taught you any good manors, you have something sick inside you, and I advice you to visit a shrink.

and dear apophenia why are you so mad ? you've been hiding all this hate since I started posting here ? just listen to my advice and go see a doctor, before you choke on your hatred & die from a stroke.. and oah don't worry, I'm not debating atheists in here anymore about what to believe, to be honest people like you & your filthy friends minimalist & Ryantology make me feel so filthy, spending the night in a swamp is better that a debate with uncivilized sick haters like you.

The serial killer stated that he killed because he doesn't believe in god. Atheists of the west today are just not tested yet wait when poverty & crisis hit your societies, I'm sure you would start to commit the sickest acts on earth, because you simply believe in nothing ; you make the rules right ?

Just like extremists, you deny just to deny, the guy said that atheism motivated his acts, and still atheist deny !
The guy said that the non-existence of god removes all limits, but atheists still deny t !
Human rights are violated in north korea, but atheists still deny !
The soviet union was so brutal & never had limits for anything, but atheists still deny !

You are the same as any brainwashed religious person, hiding behind metaphors & different names wouldn't help.

I lost any respect to most of you.

and yeah, Ryantology, you hypocrite liar. What is this comment you made about the Quran verses encouraging killing ?
Should we muslims stand like sitting ducks in front of you & your atheist brethren,, waiting to get annihilated ?
We have the right to fight those who fight us, we have the right to kill those who kill us, and those verses were all revealed during wars with the most vicious "infidels" the world have ever seen, they used to barry their daughters and eat the flesh of their victims

Read what muslims say about those verses you lying hypocrite before making spitting your spam, you sick uncivilized pig.
http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/f/te..._verse.htm
Read what all muslims believe and read what the scholars are saying before spitting your filth.

If we believe in verses the same way you believe in them (you sick pig), we would've annihilated all europe during midlevel time.
Why did we built al-andalus & allowed your barbarian ancestors to study in our universities ?

Why did we give you the essential keys to our civilization, for free ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_con...val_Europe

Answer me, you lying pig !

We had the upper hand once, why didn't we kill everyone ?

But it's you, you sick pig, who twist the verses without even knowing what they mean, taking them not from Islamic interpreted sources, but from your own sick atheist hating sources.

Just zip your mouth next time, go see a doctor, and READ before you write.
Hypocrites.

What a thin-skinned bigot! I really wanted to think more highly of you, but you make it impossible with your whining and blanket statements about atheists. I never said anything unkind to you before, but I'm an atheist so you insulted me when you insulted us as though we're all alike, which is the essence of bigotry. Ever hear of treating others as you would like to be treated, or turning the other cheek?

(February 11, 2013 at 11:30 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: What a thin-skinned bigot! I really wanted to think more highly of you, but you make it impossible with your whining and blanket statements about atheists. I never said anything unkind to you before, but I'm an atheist so you insulted me when you insulted us as though we're all alike, which is the essence of bigotry. Ever hear of treating others as you would like to be treated, or turning the other cheek?

I'm very sorry if I offended you, or anyone else in here.

I just wanted to note out to racial comments, anything related to "race" can turn the person in front of you into an animal, try to call a decent black person "nigger", I'm sure he'll do the same.

again I'm sorry, and actually my cheek is in this topic for anyone who wants a peace of it : ), eventually it's all about blowing up a stream of emotions, it's not the real feelings which I have or you have.