(February 23, 2013 at 8:24 pm)cratehorus Wrote:

(February 23, 2013 at 8:23 am)Napoléon Wrote: Guess it looks like America can't play world police anymore.

why should they?......... they don't have the largest country....largest population.......... or the most resources....... why is America the world "police" anyway?

Because my dad can kick your dad's ass.

(February 23, 2013 at 8:32 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:

(February 23, 2013 at 8:24 pm)cratehorus Wrote: why should they?......... they don't have the largest country....largest population.......... or the most resources....... why is America the world "police" anyway?

Because my dad can kick your dad's ass.

the reality is god didn't bless America with it's massive mlitary, europe collectively used America in WW1 by giving it resources and funding to fight it's wars for them. AMerica did not have the strongest millitaryt before that war nor the strongest economy. America is even currently giving alot of that money back

Quote:the US Federal Reserve bet the farm that they could engage in countless monetary interventions, keep interest rates at zero, and print over $2 trillion in new money without damaging the US’s credibility.

They were wrong. Indeed, Germany just fired a major warning shot to the US Federal Reserve.

On Monday, Germany announced that it will be moving a significant portion of its Gold reserves out of storage with the New York Fed and moving them back to Germany.

http://americanvisionnews.com/5310/germa...gold-back/


now that the "colonial wars" (WW1 & 2, cold war, korea and vietnam) are over there's essentially no reason for american military supremacy

technically the war with North Korea never ended America is just in a truce with them, Korea is a sovereign nation and has every right to own any form of nuclear weaponry it so chooses, the outcome of this proposal could signal the end of american military might.......but who would take charge is the real question?

I'm in favor of increasing the UN's actual military might

I don't think that the Chinese particularly care what happens to North Korea. NK is essentially a rogue state even to them, and in fairness to China, NK is much closer to their sovereign soil than to most other people's. The similarity with the first Koren War int he 50's is accepted that China is more concerned about an additional foothold for western powers on its doorstep, and an issue of national pride in dealing with problems on its own turf.
The trend of Chinese foreign policy in its long history has been one of general border security, as opposed to overseas expansion and domination. They would simply be butthurt if Europe or America came and put down their neighbour's rabid dog instead of doing it themselves.

As for the Russian government, I think they generally just like to annoy the west as often as they can. Anything the Europeans or the US wants to do, Russia does the opposite.

On the contrary, I think the Chinese care very much about North Korea not becoming an American satellite either directly, or through proxy in Soeul.

They have gone to war with the US and South Korea once before for this, I think they would go to war with the US and South Korea again to ensure no one else attain more influence over the North then they possess, and North Korea does not become more favorably disposed to the US or South Korea than to China.

I think there are only two ways to get the Chinese to give up North Korea without a war:

1. Destabilize China internally so its attention is too distracted

2. Give China strategic concessions comparable in value to an American base on Chinese border, close to the Chinese capital - Namely Taiwan and territorial claims in the South China sea.

(February 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm)Chuck Wrote: I think there are only two ways to get the Chinese to give up North Korea without a war:

1. Destabilize China internally so its attention is too distracted

2. Give China strategic concessions comparable in value to an American base on Chinese border, close to the Chinese capital - Namely Taiwan and territorial claims in the South China sea.

so essentially there is none.... nobody can destablize a country as large as china..... and the US is prepared to go too war over Taiwan.......... they have a military agreement saying if china invades Taiwan we automatically are at war with China, besides Russia still has veto power by itself, so destroying international ties and "destabilizing" the world's largest country still won't get UN approval for a invasion in North Korea

(sorry I mean Korea there is no country called North Korea damn yankee media)