(March 12, 2013 at 7:52 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: I stand with the principles that every human has the same equal rights!

Are you a Parrot?
You already confirmed that you don't believe in that, when you said that a criminal is not treated the same after he commits a crime
God is using the same system

Quote:And it is these principles which have created a free, open and just system.

A system of peace because it doesnt accept moral absolutes and is created on the principles of change in power and political reevaluation.

Can you prove that?

Quote:For your system to actualy have a legitemate claim to power, you must first give convincing proof that your god is real, a proof which can provide the evidence that change of power and reevaluation is no longer needed.

A proof which convinces people that they are infirior

A proof which withstands scientific scruteny!

I totally agree

Quote:And even if you can prove his existance! His appartheit regime will cause his and his followers downfall!

Wrong, because If I proved God, then you don't have a choice but to obey him.

no god is a good god.

(March 13, 2013 at 1:45 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Are you a Parrot?
You already confirmed that you don't believe in that, when you said that a criminal is not treated the same after he commits a crime
God is using the same system

Nope! Because god does not give everyone the same rights! You said yourself that non-muslims are criminals and therefor do not deserve the same rights. Therefor being discriminational.
You would have to prove how non muslims are criminals are to be treated like criminals.
Other than that, your religion discriminates women and treats them unfairly.
And it declares children to be adults.
Therefor your religion does not give everyone equal rights.

Quote:Can you prove that?

No I cannot, which is the beauty of the system called democracy. Democracy simply says that no ideology gets the right for total indefinite rule, because no ideology can prove to be perfect.
It thereby bounds them to argue over the point of which system would work better and to convince others in order to be elected to power, where it has to prove again that it is worthy of being in power to be reelected.
That is the beauty o democracy - it is a learning process, a process of trial and error in which no one is discriminated from power as long as they accept the other persons right to gain power through elections and to voice their opinions.

I dont have to prove the perfection of democracy! Others have to prove why their system should rule!

Quote:I totally agree

Then go ahead and deliver that proof of god, and if you cannot, then every word you post about how the world should look like is worthless!

Quote:Wrong, because If I proved God, then you don't have a choice but to obey him.

No. Not wrong.

I am a person who can think for himself! A person free of dogma! A person who knows what is best for him! A person who aknowleges the liberties of others! A person who determines himself!

As such I will reject the power of everyone who asserts that I am his slave or that the or she is my dictator!

So if your god exists (which I doubt since you and no one can prove him) I will reject him anyway, since he is a melicious, psychotic and sexist dictator.

(March 13, 2013 at 1:45 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Wrong, because If I proved God, then you don't have a choice but to obey him.

I see this from all manner of theists, unfortunately, it's a massive non-sequitur. I guess I'll have to remind you as I remind your christian brethren that the reason that I am not a muslim (or a christian) is not that I do not believe in your gods. The reason that I do not obey your gods has nothing to do with my casually dismissing them as idiotic fairy tales. The reason that I do not obey, is that when I assume that your gods actually exist and actually commanded or said this or that- I find it completely repulsive. Your respective gods and the orders you seem to think we simply must obey are deeply and profoundly insulting to me. I cannot, and will not, obey them - because no matter who commands these things, they are not worthy of compliance. Of those things that someone so thankfully inserted into the mouths of their gods that are not repugnant - the existence of said god is not required for my approval or compliance, nor would that gods existence bolster the authority of the order - it stands or falls on it's own merits.

Understand?

Quote: Is the muslim god fair?

If, by "fair" you mean blond-haired and blue-eyed.... probably not.

People tend to create gods that look like them.

Look what the europeans did with "jesus."

(March 13, 2013 at 1:45 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(March 12, 2013 at 7:52 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: A system of peace because it doesnt accept moral absolutes and is created on the principles of change in power and political reevaluation.

Can you prove that?