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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 16, 2013 at 9:47 pm
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(March 16, 2013 at 9:38 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Question is, how much of their undoubted credited work is based on their creationist beliefs? For example, Sir Isaac Newton was, among many things, a firm believer in alchemy, yet it is his contributions to physics and mathematics which have stood the test of time.
I don't think there is much science anywhere based on creationist beliefs because I don't think they are true. But I also think that people that make blanket statements like "all creationists are backwater fundamentalists from Louisiana with IQ's of 94" technically, that isn't true. 5% of the science community is Young Earth Creationist.
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 16, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Clearly, then, they don't let their beliefs get in the way of their work. Admirable.
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 16, 2013 at 10:45 pm
(March 16, 2013 at 9:47 pm)jstrodel Wrote: 5% of the science community is Young Earth Creationist. I think you'll find near 100% of those YEC "scientists" are in scientific disciplines that have nothing to do with astronomy/physics.
The same thing happens with Global Warming being attributed to Anthropogenic means. Well over 90% of scientists believe that global warming is anthropogenic; however if you look at those who are specifically involved in climate related science the "consensus" soon dissolves.
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 16, 2013 at 11:22 pm
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(March 16, 2013 at 10:45 pm)Aractus Wrote: (March 16, 2013 at 9:47 pm)jstrodel Wrote: 5% of the science community is Young Earth Creationist. I think you'll find near 100% of those YEC "scientists" are in scientific disciplines that have nothing to do with astronomy/physics.
The same thing happens with Global Warming being attributed to Anthropogenic means. Well over 90% of scientists believe that global warming is anthropogenic; however if you look at those who are specifically involved in climate related science the "consensus" soon dissolves.
When people argue that "90% of scientists believe in Anthropogenic climate change", they are committing the logical fallacy of appealing to the majority. In all arguments of this type, we need to base our arguments on the scientific evidence at hand. Whether or not a majority of scientists believe that for example; anthropogenic climate change is true could be wrong, if the scientific evidence does not support it.
As far as I know the scientific evidence does support the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change.
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 16, 2013 at 11:31 pm
But most people can't evaluate the evidence at hand.
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 16, 2013 at 11:50 pm
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 17, 2013 at 6:34 am
(March 16, 2013 at 11:31 pm)jstrodel Wrote: But most people can't evaluate the evidence at hand.
The pot calling the kettle black i see.
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 17, 2013 at 9:42 am
As an aside, wouldn't believers be more willing to trust the idea that humans are causing global warming, perhaps on a level that might endanger human existence? "Ruining the Earth" and all of that?
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 17, 2013 at 11:27 am
(March 17, 2013 at 9:42 am)Tonus Wrote: As an aside, wouldn't believers be more willing to trust the idea that humans are causing global warming, perhaps on a level that might endanger human existence? "Ruining the Earth" and all of that?
Depends on the believer, really. I'm sure we've all heard of that American politician (his name escapes me) who stood up in congress and said that discussing manmade global warming is pointless, because only god is able to destroy the world. Which always struck me as somewhat odd; christians are generally willing to accept that they are tainted with sin, flawed and inherently low individuals that can only be saved by constant obeisance to the creator, but for some reason those exact same people find the idea that they could damage the environment ridiculous.
They're members of a species that was able to go against god in the infancy of humanity when there was only two of them, and individual members are able to go against god's will in droves every day just by holding different beliefs, but harming the planet? Impossible.
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
March 17, 2013 at 4:02 pm
(March 16, 2013 at 8:53 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That's called creative interpretation, GC. Or "making shit up and adding it to the bible".
Really, scriptures say Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters. The interpretation that Eve's sons Cain and Able had sex with her is disturbing, when someone uses such interpretation to degrade God's word, especially when scripture tells us different. The kid needs to read scripture before making such baseless accusations, wouldn't you agree.
As far as Gen.1:1, I quoted it, so how is that making up anything, how do you see it read? Please do not say it did not happen, the Nerd was making a statement from the assumption God created, so that's where this stands.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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