(April 8, 2013 at 8:51 am)Esquilax Wrote: I simply cannot wait to watch this slide off of you like water off a duck's back!

More like shit through a goose. Food in crap out.

Oh man guys! That pile of contradictory dog shit disguised as words convinced me. Hail Jesus.

First off, I see this all stems from a Watchtower?
Yeah.... been there, done that.

Second, any time an argument starts with the whole either god exists & created life as is..... or no god exists & life must have formed spontaneously, it's already starting on shaky ground.

You could believe:
A- a god exists and created all life as we see it today. (I assume that's your position)
B- a god exists and created generic "life" which then evolved into everything we see today (This is actually not all that uncommon)
C- no god exists and life formed and evolved through purely natural processes (This is probably what you think of when you think atheist)
D- no god exists and life did not evolve (This is a very bizarre and rare position, but there's nothing inherently "against the rules" for this either)

Does that clarify?
You need to stop talking about belief in god/origin of life/evolution of life as though they're all super-glued together in single positions, because they're not.

(April 7, 2013 at 5:53 am)Mononoke Wrote:

(April 6, 2013 at 9:25 pm)Alter2Ego Wrote: All of this is believed to have been accomplished by itself (abiogenesis), without input from a supernatural God aka Jehovah who intervened and guided the outcome. Non-living matter simply decided one day to come to life--by itself--and bring forth intelligent life by unintelligent means.

Even if the rest of your post had anything at all to stand on (Darkstar has shown the problems with it), the bolded section doesn't follow. Why Jehovah? How do you know that whatever supernatural god created life is still around, loves humans, interferes with our affairs, etc.? What makes your god the right one? Since when were all the other creation myths, some of which probably make more sense than Genesis, able to be dismissed out of hand in favour of the Christian one?

ALTER2EGO -to- MONONOKE:
You're the one attempting to rebut, so go right ahead and prove to this forum that there is no Jehovah. Start by explaining how the common ancestor came to life by itself so that "evolution" could then supposedly occur.

(April 10, 2013 at 1:58 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: You're the one attempting to rebut, so go right ahead and prove to this forum that there is no Jehovah. Start by explaining how the common ancestor came to life by itself so that "evolution" could then supposedly occur.

That's not really fair. Why should he prove your god doesn't exist? It is very hard to prove anything and much harder to prove a negative. For example, if I claim I'm holding a one-eyed snake in my hand at this very moment .. prove I'm not. Kind of tough, isn't it?

See, that's the position we're in. Never seen a god, any of them .. not one. You say you've got one. Well, maybe you do. Good luck with that. I doubt it and don't believe it. If you want anyone here to take you seriously, you'll have to support your own claims.

Otherwise I'll just go right on thinking you're blowing smoke. Believe what you like. I prefer to hand my belief out a little more carefully.

(April 10, 2013 at 1:58 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: ...
You're the one attempting to rebut, so go right ahead and prove to this forum that there is no Jehovah. Start by explaining how the common ancestor came to life by itself so that "evolution" could then supposedly occur.

Actually it is you who must first demonstrate how this thing you call Jehovah suddenly came to life out of nothing.

You might also admit in the process that anyone claiming evolution has anything to do with the origin of life is an unmitigated liar who has no place in civil society much less civil discussion. That would indicate you are aware you are posting lies, are a liar and screw the 7th of the Big Ten.

(April 6, 2013 at 9:25 pm)Alter2Ego Wrote:

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ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

ORGANIC/BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION THEORY is chained to abiogenesis theory (the belief that life resulted from non-life spontaneously). Evolution and abiogenesis are two different theories, but because pro-evolutionists are notoriously atheists and dismiss an intelligent Designer/God from the equation, abiogenesis is what they are stuck with. When asked how life came from non-life by itself, they have no credible answer. So to avoid the problem of the long debunked theory of abiogenesis, some have jumped onto the creation bandwagon and claim they are theists who believe in evolution theory. In fact some claim they are Christians.

According to macroevolution theory, after the first living organism developed from nonliving matter in the ocean and formed into a "primordial soup," it resulted in a "common ancestor" from which came all the different forms of life that have ever existed on planet earth, including humans. All of this is believed to have been accomplished by itself (abiogenesis), without input from a supernatural God aka Jehovah who intervened and guided the outcome. Non-living matter simply decided one day to come to life--by itself--and bring forth intelligent life by unintelligent means. (Sources: (1) LIFE--How Did It Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation? Pages 10-11; (2) Encyclopedia Britannica (1978), page 1018)


CREATION, on the other hand, is the conclusion that the appearing of living things, each uniquely different, can only be explained by the existence of Almighty God who designed and made the universe and all the basic kinds of life on the earth just as they are, with the ability for each "kind" of creature to produce variations of itself up to a set point.

Clearly, the theory of evolution and the Genesis creation account are polar opposites. Those who accept the evolution theory argue that creation is not scientific. They carefully avoid the fact that science is unable to present a credible alternative for how life came from non-life by itself (abiogenesis). Furthermore, pro-evolutionists—including those in academia/the scientific community—routinely dodge the issue that their philosophy is based entirely upon speculations for which there is no credible scientific evidence. They routinely use fabricated words such as "species transition", "speciation", "Punctuated Equilibrium", etc. to mislead the gullible. I might add that many pro-evolution scientists are determined to make names for themselves and will resort to outright dishonesty when necessary. I will present proof of this later on in this thread.


Regarding the credibility of the Genesis creation account vs. evolution theory, one source states: "But in fairness, it could also be asked: Is evolution itself truly scientific? On the other hand, is Genesis just another ancient creation myth, as many contend? Or is it in harmony with the discoveries of modern science?" (Source: LIFE--How Did It Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation? Pages 10-11)


FACTS TO CONSIDER:
FACT #1: Just like Charles Darwin, the modern-day evolution scientific community asserts that every single animal that has ever existed came from one common ancestor aka came from a single organism (macroevolution).


FACT #2: There is no evidence in the fossils (bones of long-dead animals) proving that humans or animals evolved from completely different beings than what they presently are (macroevolution).


FACT #3: Atheists have no credible explanation for how the "common ancestor" came to life by itself (abiogenesis) so that evolution could then supposedly proceed. So their routine is to attempt to bypass that critical step by claiming evolution has nothing to do with how the "common ancestor" came to life. If they show up in this thread, you will see them doing what amounts to the usual song and dance along that line.

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The 'you don't know the answer therefore it must be my god' post is as retarded as it is overdone. If you're going to be stupid and unoriginal, at least be stupid and unoriginal in a less-obnoxious way.

(April 10, 2013 at 1:58 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: You're the one attempting to rebut, so go right ahead and prove to this forum that there is no Jehovah. Start by explaining how the common ancestor came to life by itself so that "evolution" could then supposedly occur.

First, again, you don't prove a negative.
Prove there is no Ra, or Zeus, or Thor, or Sauron, or Loch Ness monster. If you believe in Jehovah because there's no direct evidence he doesn't exist, then you must believe in everything. Literally.

Second, if we don't know, we don't know. Period. End of story. You can't just automatically insert a particular god in that gap.
We don't know exactly how life started on Earth, therefore we were put here by aliens. (See how that works?)
How many things were attributed to gods in the past when people didn't understand how they worked? Then, were did that god go once we did figure it out?
Contrary to what it seems many theists believe, there's no time limit for figuring out how something works. If it takes us 5 years, or 10, or 50, or 500, or 1000 years and we actually figure out how life started here.... so what? The gap is closed, god is squeezed out, and it's the same whether it's 5 years or 1000 years from now.

(April 10, 2013 at 1:58 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: Start by explaining how the common ancestor came to life by itself so that "evolution" could then supposedly occur.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
If I claimed to know the above true as an absolute fact, you would call me a liar right? No double standards, please.

Wow you just ignorant to a whole different level.