verify truth?
I wonder.... How did Einstein verify that E=mc^2?

(April 17, 2013 at 11:18 am)pocaracas Wrote: verify truth?
I wonder.... How did Einstein verify that E=mc^2?

The Americans did that for him when they nuked Japan.

The equation is true alright...

(April 17, 2013 at 11:32 am)FallentoReason Wrote:

(April 17, 2013 at 11:18 am)pocaracas Wrote: verify truth?
I wonder.... How did Einstein verify that E=mc^2?

The Americans did that for him when they nuked Japan.

The equation is true alright...

The equation does represent reality to the best of our abilities to measure it.
But is it true?
What is truth?

PS:Wednesday burnout syndrome.. if I make no sense, pay no mind...

(April 17, 2013 at 11:11 am)Drich Wrote: It is also the same method use to verify truth.

Except if I used it to verify any god but yours, right? Then it just doesn't work at all.

Right?

I engaged in A/S/K when I was younger and I ended up an atheist. Perhaps it does help one find the truth after all and Drich just got a wrong answer.

(April 17, 2013 at 5:41 am)Waratah Wrote:

(April 16, 2013 at 10:55 pm)Godschild Wrote:

---

Not really sure how you came to that conclusion from what I said. Yep that's right free will stays with the saved, sorry, that's how it's to be.

---

Not really sure how you cannot see how I came to that conclusion.

As soon as you put a condition on the use of free will it is NOT free will anymore. Even if you are in agreeance with the condition, free will is gone.

This is what you said

Quote:The knowledge of God's existence does not contravene God given free will, I did not say it did, what I said was when Christ returns your free will is gone, no more, vanished, taken away and ect. This is the price of rejection people will pay, there's no free ride in life why would you believe there would be with God.

The condition in this case is accepting god. "... price of rejection people will pay..."

If you have the ability to laugh at yourself, you maybe now rolling on the floor. Let us hope it is a at least.

There is no condition in what I stated, you are wanting to see something that's not there to make your argument valid in your own mind. You have free will till you die or Christ returns, which ever comes first.
Actually there is nothing to laugh about, it's sad when people ignore God's truth.

---

(April 17, 2013 at 9:07 am)Ryantology Wrote:

(April 17, 2013 at 4:40 am)Godschild Wrote: When I came to Christ my free will was and is intact, I still have the free will to reject Him.

As my point is that using (not having) 'free will' is sinful, I guess I'm forced to ask the question a third time.

Ok, here it is, if I did not exercise my free will and choose Christ as my savior I would remain lost in my sin. However I exercised my free will and accepted Christ into my life as Lord and Savior, thus with repentance I'm freed of my sins. Now you on the other hand still live in guilt and I see that as a sad condition in anyone's life. You wanted it so I gave you the answer, if it upsets you blame yourself.

---

(April 17, 2013 at 10:28 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(April 17, 2013 at 4:40 am)Godschild Wrote: When I came to Christ my free will was and is intact, I still have the free will to reject Him.

But in your system this free will is a choice with a gun leveled at your head. You have the choice to not be a christian, that's true; but if you're not, you're going to get punished. It's not a legitimate choice because not all options are equal, the thing is hugely weighted toward a single option to the exclusion of all others. That's the problem.

Please show me the biblical proof of what you've stated, books, chapters and verses please, I need to study those so I can see where my error is, thanks.

---

(April 17, 2013 at 10:33 am)Ryantology Wrote: The Christian concept of free will is a rapist holding a knife to your throat and giving you the option to scream. It would seem that the Christian idea that the rapist loves you developed as both a coping mechanism for the victims and good PR for the rapist.

When did God hold a knife to my throat, I must have missed that, please show me with biblical support how this happened without me knowing, books, chapters and verses please, I need to study this.

Let me see if I get this straight, GC...
You get the info from other people that there is a divine entity which is invisible, untouchable and, basically, has no measurable physical interaction with our world, but it's out there, somewhere. Those other people also tell you that this entity does interact with our world through people's emotions, feelings and whatnot...
You take this information about this entity, accept it as trustworthy and proceed to confirm this information with a book the same people present to you.

Your mind then accepts the existence of the entity as real and proceeds to interpret some of your "emotions, feelings and whatnot" as an interaction of this entity within you.

You then proceed to let us know about this entity, in the hopes, I guess, that we find that information trustworthy, and go through the same process you went through...

Did I miss something?
I must have, because I fail to see where the entity showed to you that it is real...
It doesn't seem to present itself to human beings through a means other than previous suggestion induced by other human beings... and knowing that the human mind can fool itself using this mechanism, we assume you are under this very mental mechanism of self-delusion.

(April 17, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: Ok, here it is, if I did not exercise my free will and choose Christ as my savior I would remain lost in my sin. However I exercised my free will and accepted Christ into my life as Lord and Savior, thus with repentance I'm freed of my sins.

And now you're freed of thinking for yourself, because now you just have to do whatever you think God tells you to do.

Quote:Now you on the other hand still live in guilt and I see that as a sad condition in anyone's life. You wanted it so I gave you the answer, if it upsets you blame yourself.

You're suggesting I live in guilt for breaking a law handed down by a being I regard as entirely fictional? I feel guilt when I do wrong to actual, real people. I don't feel guilt when my actions offend a fictional character. Do you even possess the capacity to understand that, or are you pathologically incapable of grasping a worldview that isn't saturated in your ridiculous fairytales?

I'm not upset by your answer, I'm just sad that people living in the 21st century still believe shit like this. We've come so far, but there are so many throwbacks.

Quote:When did God hold a knife to my throat, I must have missed that, please show me with biblical support how this happened without me knowing, books, chapters and verses please, I need to study this.

You go on and on about salvation and being saved and I won't give you a serious answer to such a disingenuous query. You can play stupid, but that game isn't multiplayer.

Let us focus on what you said godschild, all of it not just part of it.

Quote:The knowledge of God's existence does not contravene God given free will, I did not say it did, what I said was when Christ returns your free will is gone, no more, vanished, taken away and ect. This is the price of rejection people will pay, there's no free ride in life why would you believe there would be with God.

You have stated quite clearly and consistently that when christ returns you will lose free will. I accept and understand that is what you have said.

Directly after saying that you stated the reason for the loss of free will is due to 'rejection of god'. So far you continue to just ignore this part. Why?

I can easily accept the when you die part you lose free will. Can you please tell me the reason for losing free will when christ returns if it is not because of the rejection of god as you have stated before?

(April 17, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: Please show me the biblical proof of what you've stated, books, chapters and verses please, I need to study those so I can see where my error is, thanks.

Don't be pathetic, GC. I'm not going to play into your bullshit here, you know what I'm talking about, but even if I did decide to bend over backwards for you, do you really thing this head in the sand idiocy would stand for more than a single post? Stop delaying and address the fucking point.