Some 27 per cent of 16 to 24 year-olds admit they were 15 or under when they had sex for the first time.

One in eight of this age group have already had sex with at least ten different partners.

Here what they wrote
The rising numbers of girls having under-age sex is alarming. It is not a cost-free phenomenon. It poses public health policy challenges and social challenges. The underlying cause must be the pornification of British culture and the increasing sexualisation of pre-adolescent girls.’

(May 1, 2013 at 4:16 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Some 27 per cent of 16 to 24 year-olds admit they were 15 or under when they had sex for the first time.

One in eight of this age group have already had sex with at least ten different partners.

Here what they wrote
The rising numbers of girls having under-age sex is alarming. It is not a cost-free phenomenon. It poses public health policy challenges and social challenges. The underlying cause must be the pornification of British culture and the increasing sexualisation of pre-adolescent girls.’

But you don't see this as sex with pre adolescent girls because according to you a high percentage of these girls will have gone through puberty if they are over 9.

This article is showing how bad it is that pre pubescent girls are having sex at ages 15 and under, it isn't implying they should get married.

So according to you this wouldn't be allowed in Islam because they are pre pubescent, but also according to you and this article these girls are doing it anyway, and according to you we should change laws if people are doing it anyway, so Islamic law should change to allow sex with pre pubescent girls then I assume is what you're saying?

Also noticing that no statistics relating to 9 year old girls having sex was mentioned in the article that I could see.

(May 1, 2013 at 4:23 am)paulpablo Wrote: This article is showing how bad it is that pre pubescent girls are having sex at ages 15 and under, it isn't implying they should get married.

This isn't the subject of discussion!
We are treating sex and marriage as the same (in this thread)

Quote:So according to you this wouldn't be allowed in Islam, but also according to you these girls are doing it anyway, and according to you we should change laws if people are doing it anyway, so Islamic law should change to allow sex with pre pubescent girls then I assume is what you're saying?

Your thoughts are confused!
Sexual desires is natural, so there is no point of banning it totally
Marriage is the common, accepted regulation to have sex (by most people)

So how can we deal with the problem (it is even stated very clearly in UK by the last article)?
By forcing a marriage age at 16 or 18, while there are about 15 million people in US alone who are already having sex under 16
Or by regulating marriage?

It is obvious that regulating marriage is the answer
That is why many US states are allowing it

Now let's compare Islam to under age marriage in US states
Most states will allow marriage only if the girl is pregnant
It means that they are ok, for a girl to have sex at 10 then get pregnant (there is no punishment) then they will allow her to marry only after she get pregnant
What if the boy doesn't want to get married?
What if the boy is not suitable for the girl?
What if parents don't like that?
What if the boy (and his family) cannot support the couple)
What if .................?

Regulating the marriage and choosing the other partner before marriage is much better?

Who says we are treating sex and marriage as the same thing in this thread?

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(May 1, 2013 at 4:34 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(May 1, 2013 at 4:23 am)paulpablo Wrote: This article is showing how bad it is that pre pubescent girls are having sex at ages 15 and under, it isn't implying they should get married.

This isn't the subject of discussion!
We are treating sex and marriage as the same (in this thread)

Quote:So according to you this wouldn't be allowed in Islam, but also according to you these girls are doing it anyway, and according to you we should change laws if people are doing it anyway, so Islamic law should change to allow sex with pre pubescent girls then I assume is what you're saying?

Your thoughts are confused!
Sexual desires is natural, so there is no point of banning it totally
Marriage is the common, accepted regulation to have sex (by most people)

So how can we deal with the problem (it is even stated very clearly in UK by the last article)?
By forcing a marriage age at 16 or 18, while there are about 15 million people in US alone who are already having sex under 16
Or by regulating marriage?

It is obvious that regulating marriage is the answer
That is why many US states are allowing it

Now let's compare Islam to under age marriage in US states
Most states will allow marriage only if the girl is pregnant
It means that they are ok, for a girl to have sex at 10 then get pregnant (there is no punishment) then they will allow her to marry only after she get pregnant
What if the boy doesn't want to get married?
What if the boy is not suitable for the girl?
What if parents don't like that?
What if the boy (and his family) cannot support the couple)
What if .................?

Regulating the marriage and choosing the other partner before marriage is much better?

The article you posted stated that underage pre pubescent people are having sex, they are doing it anyway, it is against the laws of islam but according to you if people do it anyway we should just regulate it rather than make it illegal, this shows according to your logic of changing laws if people do it anyway that the Islamic system is wrong, if pre pubescent girls are having sex anyway, islam says this is wrong but you say if people do it anyway it is just natural. does this apply to stealing also?

There are many laws which totally forbid natural desires because they cause harm or detriment to people, there are desires in all animals to rape, kill, the law against 9 year olds getting married, is in order to allow them to definitely go through puberty and complete their education before they get pregnant, become someones wife and so on. this isn't rocket science.

(May 1, 2013 at 4:37 am)paulpablo Wrote: The article you posted stated that underage pre pubescent people are having sex, they are doing it anyway, according to you if people do it anyway we should just regulate it rather than make it illegal, does this apply to stealing also?

Is stealing is a natural behavior by human?

However ownership and financial needs are, that is why it is regulated in Islam for the wealthy to give 2.5% of his wealth every year to the poor.

(May 1, 2013 at 4:42 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(May 1, 2013 at 4:37 am)paulpablo Wrote: The article you posted stated that underage pre pubescent people are having sex, they are doing it anyway, according to you if people do it anyway we should just regulate it rather than make it illegal, does this apply to stealing also?

Is stealing is a natural behavior by human?

However ownership and financial needs are, that is why it is regulated in Islam for the wealthy to give 2.5% of his wealth every year to the poor.

Yes, stealing territory, food, women, for the right to breed. Is all natural. In animals and tribal humans.

And I'm not too sure about financial needs being natural in the sense that this is a purely man made system, and in terms of the history of humans on this earth the concept of money is a relatively modern one, but that doesn't really add anything to this thread so I'll just leave that topic for now.

(May 1, 2013 at 3:54 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: It is showing that the youngest mother is 12 (so she had sex at about 10)

Fuck you are dumb!

How about any system where women aren't treated as any of the following: Baby dispensers, punch bags or property of a man? Where men can't decide whether or not we can work, or tell us how to dress? A system where female children are protected from paedophiles rather than forced to marry them? A system where women can marry whoever the fuck we want?

There's a very good reason that most modern muslims stay the fuck away from the Islamic "system" you are trying to promote here. Take a look at how women, marriage and sex are dealt with in Saudi Arabia and try to defend that.

(May 1, 2013 at 3:54 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

Quote:A pregnant unmarried 9 year old would be punished in islam? If so what would the punishment be?

80 lashes, but only if it is proved that she had sex by her choice (adultery)

Out of curiosity, what punishment is given to the man who impregnated the nine-year-old in question?

(May 1, 2013 at 9:40 am)Tonus Wrote:

(May 1, 2013 at 3:54 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: 80 lashes, but only if it is proved that she had sex by her choice (adultery)

Out of curiosity, what punishment is given to the man who impregnated the nine-year-old in question?

I'm waiting for the answer to this.