http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dql3CHKXR7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pur9Bmj8k9M

(May 9, 2013 at 12:35 am)Darkstar Wrote:

(May 9, 2013 at 12:28 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: After you provide a DEFINITION of what the crime is supposed to have been then I will be happy to evaluate the allocution of the crime.

The Holocaust

wikipedia Wrote:The Holocaust (from the Greek ὁλόκαυστος holókaustos: hólos, "whole" and kaustós, "burnt")[2] also known as the Shoah (Hebrew: השואה, HaShoah, "catastrophe"; Yiddish: חורבן, Churben or Hurban, from the Hebrew for "destruction"), was the mass murder or genocide of approximately six million Jews during World War II, a programme of systematic state-sponsored murder by Nazi Germany, led by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party, throughout German-occupied territory.[3][4]

I assume the bolded part is what you want to run with. Now you know what you need to present evidence of. Not just camps, not persecution, not the Warsaw ghetto, just that and only that.

Would you care to start with the number or the autopsies?

(May 9, 2013 at 12:36 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Therefore there is no valid confession. Thank you for saying so.

The nazis never denied the holocaust at the Nuremberg trials, they just blamed Hitler. (The "just following orders" defense.)

(May 9, 2013 at 12:39 am)popeyespappy Wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dql3CHKXR7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pur9Bmj8k9M

Darkstar put six million on the table you presented numbers far below that. So no holocaust by the Darkstar definition. Do you have a different definition?

I fail to see how any film clips change the numbers you give.

(May 9, 2013 at 12:36 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: One would hope normal court procedures are predictable. What else would you expect?

Excuse me. I see what you are saying. There is no allocution to present. Therefore there is no valid confession. Thank you for saying so.

Wow, you must know some newfangled definition of allocution.
You brought US courts into this, not I.
You said you required the same standards as US courts.
You failed to think it all the way through, now didn't you?

(May 9, 2013 at 12:43 am)Darkstar Wrote:

(May 9, 2013 at 12:36 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Therefore there is no valid confession. Thank you for saying so.

The nazis never denied the holocaust at the Nuremberg trials, they just blamed Hitler. (The "just following orders" defense.)

Then I would suggest you READ the Nuremberg transcript and discover the issue of your six million was never brought up. Quite true. They did not deny what they were not accused of. But what is the point?

But still no valid confessions. Good point.

You asked for evidence. I gave you evidence for the planned systematic extermination of Jews by the government of Germany during World War II. It includes video, photographs and examples from two separate reports written by the commanders of Einsatzgruppe A and B detailing the execution of more than 354 thousand Jews prior to the end of 1941.

I guess there's this: Criticism of Holocaust denial

Quote:Nazi documentation

The Nazis used figures of between 9 and 11 million for the Jewish population of Europe, as evidenced in the notes of the Wannsee Conference. In fact, the Nazis methodically recorded the ongoing reduction of the Jewish population, as in the Korherr Report, which gave the status of the Final Solution through December, 1942. The Höfle Telegram was sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and detailed the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps.[55] In the year 1942 alone, the telegram lists 1,274,166 Jews were exterminated[55] in the four camps of Aktion Reinhard. The Korherr Report compiled by an SS statistician, gave a conservative total of 2,454,000 Jews deported to extermination camps or killed by the Einsatzgruppen. The complete status reports of the Einsatzgruppen death squads were found in the archives of the Gestapo when it was searched by the U.S. Army, and the accuracy attested to by the former Einsatzgruppen members who testified during war crime trials and at other times. These reports alone list an additional 1,500,000 or so murders during mass shootings, the vast majority of these victims were Jews. Further, surviving Nazi documentation spells out their plans to murder the Jews of Europe (see the Wannsee Conference), recorded the trains arriving at various death camps, and included photographs and films of many atrocities.

Quote:Letter and 14 day report year-end report

Camp i.d. to 31.12.1942 1942 total
L ? Lublin 12761 24733
B ? Belzec 0 434508
S ? Sobibor 515 101370
T ? Treblinka 10335 713555 (*)
total: 23611 1274166

(*) note - the original reads 71355, but this is probably a typo as 713555 gives the correct total.

(May 9, 2013 at 12:52 am)catfish Wrote:

(May 9, 2013 at 12:36 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: One would hope normal court procedures are predictable. What else would you expect?

Excuse me. I see what you are saying. There is no allocution to present. Therefore there is no valid confession. Thank you for saying so.

Wow, you must know some newfangled definition of allocution.
You brought US courts into this, not I.
You said you required the same standards as US courts.
You failed to think it all the way through, now didn't you?

You want British courts? French courts? Fine with me. What I will not accept is a Stalinist court which was the mold of much of the IMT. I did not think you would either. I simply guessed you were American or British and thus the standards of justice are about the same.

What is new about my description of the necessary content of an allocution? Pardon but I was not aware of any other kind of content required in any real court in any non-communist country.

I have no idea what you mean by not thinking it through.

If everyone who confessed to a crime were convicted upon mere admission the more heinous the crime the more people would be convicted. That is just the way it is. That is why there must be an allocution that is complete and acceptable to both the prosecution and the court.

Why would you want it otherwise?

Did you really think there was a single confession to Darkstar's number? I'd love to read that one.

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(May 9, 2013 at 12:53 am)popeyespappy Wrote: You asked for evidence. I gave you evidence for the planned systematic extermination of Jews by the government of Germany during World War II. It includes video, photographs and examples from two separate reports written by the commanders of Einsatzgruppe A and B detailing the execution of more than 354 thousand Jews prior to the end of 1941.

So your definition of the holy holocaust is 354,000 people. Darkstar says a lot more. Could you two get together and come up with a single number? Thank you.

(May 9, 2013 at 1:03 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: .

If everyone who confessed to a crime were convicted upon mere admission the more heinous the crime the more people would be convicted.

you can't find any confession because there was no one single person who killed all 6 million it were a bunch a fellas.....stupid nazi


who is your nazi boss im guessing..... matt giwer???