(May 20, 2013 at 4:34 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Eh, when it's a freshly dropped lifelong indoctrinated fear then it sucks being told you're not in the club anymore so you're going to hell. The Only time I tell someone their god is a malicious bastard is when they've asked for it. There's a difference between defensiveness and offensiveness.

Ah, hey, I understand. I'm a bit of an asshole so it's not as big a deal to me.

(May 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm)missluckie26 Wrote:

godschild Wrote:One that dies as an atheist will be spending eternity in hell, this is a reality that unbelief can not wipe away. I do not name a person nor point to a specific person, there is always time to change one's heart and mind.

I did not name you personally, however if it will please you I can. So if you missluckie26 continue on as you are you will spend eternity in hell, is that what you wanted to hear.

Hell threat # 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.2, and 3

Whose going in circles again?

I find it highly telling that you have no reply for anything that I said, besides "you're mentally off". Take a look in the god and imagination thread and see who thinks who is 'off'.

When the shoe fits.

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(May 20, 2013 at 5:54 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(May 20, 2013 at 3:25 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...an atheist will be spending eternity in hell, this is a reality that unbelief can not wipe away.

Since I got myself into a pickle over this idea, I think it best to introduce some of the possible loopholes to this. The first is an RC idea: "perfect contrition". If a person recognizes that they are a sinner and in need of help then it is conceivable that God could show mercy on those who have not yet accepted Christ, but yearn for absolution. The second is Christ-incognito. Although a person believes themselves to be an atheist, they still value and believe in both goodness and truth. Following death they may be enlightened to learn that they were following Christ after all since He is both Goodness and Truth. Finally, there are the remnants of faith. Here an atheist may publicly profess his disbelief, but unknown to himself a lingering faith guides his life from within. Of course these are highly speculative and not explicitly presented in the Scriptures, but I think possible. So while the stubbornly godless who confirm that belief in their lives (like the anti-theists and militant atheist types) will certainly go to hell, I would be reluctant to say that to anyone else because in the end, only God knows how He will decide.

I know we do not agree on hell and as you yourself said what you purposed is not backed by scripture. No one who has the opportunity to hear the gospel of Christ and rejects it will be forgiven of their sin, for sin in this case is only forgiven through Christ. Scripture is quite clear that those found with sin will be in hell, and that only the blood of Christ can cover sin so it is as no more. As far as stating atheist will go to hell, I'm speaking of those who deny the Christ, there are those who never hear the gospel of Christ and thus have no chance to accept or reject Him, those the Father will deal with according to His will, those I understand about.
I do not know why 'missl' got upset, she all but begged to be told she was going to hell. So to try and help her out I did, and as far as I can remember she is the only one I've ever said that to. I do understand there is time for most to repent and accept Christ, I do not and have never nor ever will believe in predestination no matter who on this forum says I believe to the contrary. Free will does not permit predestination, and I firmly believe everyone has God given free will to the point of acceptance of Christ. After that all bets are off and I've stated that many times on this forum. God knows how we will choose yet gives everyone many chances to choose Christ, He will however use anyone to advance His will through human history. Choosing to accept Christ or reject Him is the one area God will not interfere in our choice. Just ask Paul, and he was more than elated that God interfered in His life.

Am I the only one that pictures Christians with a chesire cat grin on their faces as they gleefully describe an eternal destination to which only the most self-righteous and sadistic mind could subscribe?

(May 21, 2013 at 9:12 am)Faith No More Wrote: Am I the only one that pictures Christians with a chesire cat grin on their faces as they gleefully describe an eternal destination to which only the most self-righteous and sadistic mind could subscribe?

Does your imagination, or the number of people with similar imagination, matter in the slightest?

I'm soooo proud of these Christians, gotta tell ya. They're such good sports, resorting to calling me mentally off when they have not the mental capacity themselves for a proper rebuttal.

(May 21, 2013 at 9:46 am)missluckie26 Wrote: I'm soooo proud of these Christians, gotta tell ya. They're such good sports, resorting to calling me mentally off when they have not the mental capacity themselves for a proper rebuttal.

Personally I suspect that you believe in God but are angry at him, and so are looking for reasons not to believe.

(May 21, 2013 at 9:28 am)John V Wrote: Does your imagination, or the number of people with similar imagination, matter in the slightest?

When that imagination is a direct construct of the way you and your ilk portray yourselves as you delightfully describe in a psychopathic manner the torture and damnation you believe we deserve, I would think so.

Then again, Christians have regularly demonstrated that they care not about the effect that constantly droning on about an imaginary place of eternal torture for those who dare not believe the same as they do, so, maybe not.

(May 21, 2013 at 10:07 am)Faith No More Wrote: When that imagination is a direct construct of the way you and your ilk portray yourselves as you delightfully describe in a psychopathic manner the torture and damnation you believe we deserve, I would think so.

That's not the case around here. Out of 2 billion professing Christians I'm sure there are some who do that, but I haven't come across a single Christian in my entire life who delightfully describes torture and damnation in a psychopathic manner.

Quote:Then again, Christians have regularly demonstrated that they care not about the effect that constantly droning on about an imaginary place of eternal torture for those who dare not believe the same as they do, so, maybe not.

Around here it's the atheists who constantly drone on about hell.

God will save ALL His people, yes, even the ones here on this forum who hate Him, and the ones who say they love him, yet choose to believe the evil doctrins of men, instead of these scriptures below

1 Timothy 2:4 + 2:6 + 4:10
Philippians 2:9-11
Ephesians 1:10
1 Corinthians 3:15 + 15:22 + 15: 26 & 28
11 Corinthians 5:18-19
John 3:17 + 12:32
1 John 2:2 + 4:14
etc etc there is no hell, how can there be, as we are ALL TO BE SAVED ! go figar

(May 21, 2013 at 10:11 am)John V Wrote: That's not the case around here.

Perhaps you should work on your delivery then, because it definitely appears that way.

(May 21, 2013 at 10:11 am)John V Wrote: Around here it's the atheists who constantly drone on about hell.

Haha...touché, however, my point was that you are unconcerned with the effect that constantly droning on about how we deserve hell produces.