If you have a complain about something it is correct to take the complain to the proper person not blaming someone who has nothing to do with what you are complaining.
When ever God said something about eternal damnation or any other bad thing?
And when ever spiritual people like Shiva, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and many other said such a evil things?
Priests turned pure spirituality into religions inventing all kind of dogmas in order to control people mind and profit from it so they could sit in the chairs of power.
It would be nice if you do not agree (and i would not myself) with all kind of dogma if you could take your complain with those who invented these dogmas and leave alone God and those who have nothing to do with religious dogmas.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yes, that's right. It was the last thread you created about dogma.

In that thread, you kept accusing people of being "locked in the dogma" of materialism, and being ignorant of the spiritual because of them being dogmatic about their belief that the material is all that exists.

Beyond showing that you know nothing about what people here actually believe, you were asked direct questions which you either didn't answer or answered incorrectly, yet you continued to spew as if you were some kind of spiritual guru, posting empty assertion after empty assertion.

You know nothing. I recommend that people just ignore you. Your threads are nothing but pretense for your egotistical and empty claims to spiritual knowledge.

There is nothing to be gained by answering you or participating in threads started by you.

Yes, "god" is the product that religion sells to gullible fools. The choice of whether or not to buy it is ultimately your own.

Caveat emptor!

(May 27, 2013 at 8:43 am)enrico Wrote:
When ever God said something about eternal damnation or any other bad thing?
And when ever spiritual people like Shiva, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and many other said such a evil things?

"The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father" (Matthew 13:41-43)
Fear of eternal torture is one cult's greatest ally

(May 27, 2013 at 5:45 pm)wwjs Wrote:

(May 27, 2013 at 8:43 am)enrico Wrote:
When ever God said something about eternal damnation or any other bad thing?
And when ever spiritual people like Shiva, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and many other said such a evil things?

"The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father" (Matthew 13:41-43)
Fear of eternal torture is one cult's greatest ally

Why can't you see it as God trying to protect you from the punishment that will come.

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(May 27, 2013 at 2:52 pm)apophenia Wrote: you were asked direct questions which you either didn't answer or answered incorrectly,

Are you saying unless he/she agrees with you and those that think like you he/she is wrong, I hope not, you are the one who could be wrong, right?

(May 28, 2013 at 3:47 am)Godschild Wrote: Why can't you see it as God trying to protect you from the punishment that will come.

It would be much easier to do that if the punishment wasn't also set up by god, for a series of non-harmful, nonexistent crimes.

Quote:Are you saying unless he/she agrees with you and those that think like you he/she is wrong, I hope not, you are the one who could be wrong, right?

We could all be wrong, GC... Luckily, some of us don't see the use in making declarative statements about the things that are right.

Some others, of course, set themselves up to really fall, if they're wrong...

(May 28, 2013 at 3:47 am)Godschild Wrote: Why can't you see it as God trying to protect you from the punishment that will come.

When a storeowner gets shaken down by gangsters, they tell him it's for his own protection. The storeowner does what the boss wants, and the crime boss saves the storeowner from his own punishment. There's absolutely no difference between a mafia protection racket and Christian salvation.

(May 28, 2013 at 3:59 am)Ryantology Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 3:47 am)Godschild Wrote: Why can't you see it as God trying to protect you from the punishment that will come.

When a storeowner gets shaken down by gangsters, they tell him it's for his own protection. The storeowner does what the boss wants, and the crime boss saves the storeowner from his own punishment. There's absolutely no difference between a mafia protection racket and Christian salvation.

If that is your best understanding of the scriptures why do you even try. Did the crime boss create this store owner, did he start the business, no, so rightfully he has no say other than he takes it, much like Satan.

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(May 28, 2013 at 3:55 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 3:47 am)Godschild Wrote: Why can't you see it as God trying to protect you from the punishment that will come.

It would be much easier to do that if the punishment wasn't also set up by god

So by your belief the government has not right to set the punishment of criminals that break the standards the government has set.

(May 28, 2013 at 4:34 am)Godschild Wrote: So by your belief the government has not right to set the punishment of criminals that break the standards the government has set.

I think a better analogy would be that I'd believe the government would have no right to set the punishment if the laws the government made were impossible to follow unless you bowed down to the government and worshiped it, including following the government's dictate to harm others and profess bigoted beliefs.

To be clear, the government god most resembles isn't a democratic one, it's an autocracy. A dictatorship. That's the issue I have with your dishonest equivocation.

(May 28, 2013 at 4:46 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 4:34 am)Godschild Wrote: So by your belief the government has not right to set the punishment of criminals that break the standards the government has set.

I think a better analogy would be that I'd believe the government would have no right to set the punishment if the laws the government made were impossible to follow unless you bowed down to the government and worshiped it, including following the government's dictate to harm others and profess bigoted beliefs.

To be clear, the government god most resembles isn't a democratic one, it's an autocracy. A dictatorship. That's the issue I have with your dishonest equivocation.

My response wasn't dishonest. No matter what the government is it has controlling power to judge by the laws it made.
God determines the punishment according to His judgement, I do not believe God ever claimed to have a democratic government, such a government comes from man because of man's flawed sense of justice, so the more that are actually involved in the government the fairer laws will be. God being perfect does not need anyone to tell Him how to govern, Satan did not like it and you see where that got Him and us. Satan like nonbelievers thought/think they can do better to meet their selfish desires. So duh, we now have hell as part of life.