God said this...God said that......

[Esquilax]

My response wasn't dishonest. No matter what the government is it has controlling power to judge by the laws it made.
God determines the punishment according to His judgement, I do not believe God ever claimed to have a democratic government, such a government comes from man because of man's flawed sense of justice, so the more that are actually involved in the government the fairer laws will be. God being perfect does not need anyone to tell Him how to govern, Satan did not like it and you see where that got Him and us. Satan like nonbelievers thought/think they can do better to meet their selfish desires. So duh, we now have hell as part of life.

My point is that yes, I would object to a government determining punishment for crimes, if that government conducted itself like your god does. Your initial response tried to make me sound absurd by equivocating that I'd object to a normal, democratic government determining punishments for normal crimes. That's a flawed analogy.

[Ryantology]

When a storeowner gets shaken down by gangsters, they tell him it's for his own protection. The storeowner does what the boss wants, and the crime boss saves the storeowner from his own punishment. There's absolutely no difference between a mafia protection racket and Christian salvation.

If that is your best understanding of the scriptures why do you even try. Did the crime boss create this store owner, did he start the business, no, so rightfully he has no say other than he takes it, much like Satan.

So, in other words, what makes mafia extortion wrong is not the violence and coercion and malice of the act, but rather that the mafia boss didn't create the shopowner? If the mafia boss did create the shopowner and/or his shop, he would then possess the moral authority to injure, kill, or steal from the shopowner?

[Little Rik]

apopheni...................you were asked direct questions which you either didn't answer or answered incorrectly..............

Actually i did answer your question in which you asked me how was not possible for a robot to build up consciousness.
I replied telling you that to build up a consciousness it takes million of years from mineral life to vegetable life to animal life to human life so you just could not get an artificial machine like a robot to get a consciousness.
In human being unlike in lower form of life is possible to build up a lot of consciousness because the positive and negative create a free will and with this free will is possible to do the right choice and progress.
A robot which is program to do only the right thing can not choose between the two and therefore can not develop any consciousness which by the way did not have in the first place.
I also told you that in the near future it will be possible to create babies in laboratories with consciousness provide that science work hand in hand with spirituality.
So what?
You do not agree? Is not the answer that you thought?
That is your problem not mine.
It just show that you want to have the last word.
No problem for me. You can keep on dreaming as long as you want.

[Cyberman]

"The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father" (Matthew 13:41-43)
Fear of eternal torture is one cult's greatest ally

Why can't you see it as God trying to protect you from the punishment that will come.

Because I see it as a story. By the same token, I don't see people using the Force to levitate. Do you?

[Little Rik]

When ever God said something about eternal damnation or any other bad thing?
And when ever spiritual people like Shiva, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and many other said such a evil things?

"The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father" (Matthew 13:41-43)
Fear of eternal torture is one cult's greatest ally

Matthew said so?
Since when you believe the gospels?
By the way also a guy dressed like Santa said something similar.
He told me that Fidel Castro said so.
He had a strong smell of stale booze on him so i just went away quickly.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

By the way also a guy dressed like Santa said something similar.
He told me that Fidel Castro said so.

...I did?

[Little Rik]

By the way also a guy dressed like Santa said something similar.
He told me that Fidel Castro said so.

...I did?

No, no of course.
Is the other Castro, the naughty one.

[Esquilax]

By the way also a guy dressed like Santa said something similar.
He told me that Fidel Castro said so.

...I did?

I always thought you were, like, a space Castro or something. Not the one from Earth.

[Godscreated]

If that is your best understanding of the scriptures why do you even try. Did the crime boss create this store owner, did he start the business, no, so rightfully he has no say other than he takes it, much like Satan.

So, in other words, what makes mafia extortion wrong is not the violence and coercion and malice of the act, but rather that the mafia boss didn't create the shopowner? If the mafia boss did create the shopowner and/or his shop, he would then possess the moral authority to injure, kill, or steal from the shopowner?

The boss can't do that, so it's of no consequence to this discussion, God is creator and He does have the right to judge all, the creation was made to reflect His righteousness. When Satan rebelled and then tempted Adam and Eve into his mistake the creation could no longer reflect God's righteousness.

[The Grand Nudger]

Looks like a yes to me Ryan.