(May 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 5:18 am)Ryantology Wrote: So, in other words, what makes mafia extortion wrong is not the violence and coercion and malice of the act, but rather that the mafia boss didn't create the shopowner? If the mafia boss did create the shopowner and/or his shop, he would then possess the moral authority to injure, kill, or steal from the shopowner?

The boss can't do that, so it's of no consequence to this discussion, God is creator and He does have the right to judge all, the creation was made to reflect His righteousness. When Satan rebelled and then tempted Adam and Eve into his mistake the creation could no longer reflect God's righteousness.

You get more and more deluded every time you post on here.

(May 28, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: The boss can't do that, so it's of no consequence to this discussion, God is creator and He does have the right to judge all, the creation was made to reflect His righteousness. When Satan rebelled and then tempted Adam and Eve into his mistake the creation could no longer reflect God's righteousness.

You get more and more deluded every time you post on here.

Try adding something to the conversation instead of trying to detract from it, I mean really if that's all you got go home.

(May 28, 2013 at 4:26 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: You get more and more deluded every time you post on here.

Try adding something to the conversation instead of trying to detract from it, I mean really if that's all you got go home.

Ok, GC, let me try to sort this out...

If god says something is a sin, then it is a sin for us to do that thing. However, if god does that thing, its not a sin because he is the creator and is therefore exempt from right and wrong because, by default, everything he does is right.

So it is really a situation of do as I say not as I do.

Do I have that about right?

(May 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 5:18 am)Ryantology Wrote: So, in other words, what makes mafia extortion wrong is not the violence and coercion and malice of the act, but rather that the mafia boss didn't create the shopowner? If the mafia boss did create the shopowner and/or his shop, he would then possess the moral authority to injure, kill, or steal from the shopowner?

The boss can't do that, so it's of no consequence to this discussion, God is creator and He does have the right to judge all, the creation was made to reflect His righteousness. When Satan rebelled and then tempted Adam and Eve into his mistake the creation could no longer reflect God's righteousness.

If the boss had that power, would it be his right to do whatever he wanted? Does having power make everything you do just and righteous, all by itself? If I was all-powerful and I created you, would it be moral for me to skin you alive and then soak you in alcohol? Would it be righteous for me to give your kid muscular dystrophy? Would it be acceptable to know your kid had muscular dystrophy yet do nothing about it?

It is obvious you are avoiding the question because the implications are unavoidable. You can't even claim I'm trapping you, because you made the claim that absolute might makes absolute right.

Quote:Try adding something to the conversation instead of trying to detract from it, I mean really if that's all you got go home.

Says the guy who can do nothing but prattle on about superstitious nonsense..

(May 28, 2013 at 5:30 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: Ok, GC, let me try to sort this out...

If god says something is a sin, then it is a sin for us to do that thing.

In it's simplest form, yes.

Baalb Wrote:However, if god does that thing, its not a sin because he is the creator and is therefore exempt from right and wrong because, by default, everything he does is right.

You need to give an example of what you believe God has done wrong.
To much generalization in your question.

Baalb Wrote:So it is really a situation of do as I say not as I do.

Do I have that about right?

No.

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(May 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: The boss can't do that, so it's of no consequence to this discussion, God is creator and He does have the right to judge all, the creation was made to reflect His righteousness. When Satan rebelled and then tempted Adam and Eve into his mistake the creation could no longer reflect God's righteousness.

Ryan Wrote:If the boss had that power, would it be his right to do whatever he wanted?

As I said the boss can't do that, you want to speculate on the impossible for man, it's of no consequence to this .

Ryan Wrote:Does having power make everything you do just and righteous, all by itself?

No, and I said so in my statement of why God is the perfect standard, please go back and read what I actually stated, you're rehashing things already explained, bring new questions, please.

Ryan Wrote:If I was all-powerful and I created you, would it be moral for me to skin you alive and then soak you in alcohol?

What do you think, is that a righteous action/attitude, is that morally acceptable?

Ryan Wrote:Would it be righteous for me to give your kid muscular dystrophy? Would it be acceptable to know your kid had muscular dystrophy yet do nothing about it?

No, you are not a righteous person according to scriptures, so how could you possibly be a righteous judge. I know what you're try to get at but, we can not always understand the omniscient decisions God makes. To quote God "Your ways are not my ways and your thoughts are not my thoughts, in other words we can not understand why God does some things, I wish I could it would help in life.

Ryan Wrote:It is obvious you are avoiding the question because the implications are unavoidable. You can't even claim I'm trapping you, because you made the claim that absolute might makes absolute right.

What question, I've answered all the questions that I saw as relevant. I did not say that, again you are putting words into my statements that I did not, that is dishonest.[/quote]

(May 29, 2013 at 8:37 am)Godschild Wrote: No, and I said so in my statement of why God is the perfect standard, please go back and read what I actually stated, you're rehashing things already explained, bring new questions, please.

Please explain to me how drowning the whole world is example of perfect standard

(May 29, 2013 at 10:27 am)wwjs Wrote:

(May 29, 2013 at 8:37 am)Godschild Wrote: No, and I said so in my statement of why God is the perfect standard, please go back and read what I actually stated, you're rehashing things already explained, bring new questions, please.

Please explain to me how drowning the whole world is example of perfect standard

The all-knowing God saw that all people were evil, except for Noah and his family, God told Noah not only to build the Ark but, also to preach to the people of repentance. 100 years Noah preached and no one listened, I do not believe they were going to change and God knew they were not, He gave them a chance to change for 100 years even though He knew they would not, thus the flood as the punishment of His judgement. No one should question His judgement, would you give your children 20 years to take out the trash after you asked them to. I doubt you are that patient and I know I'm not.

(May 29, 2013 at 10:27 am)wwjs Wrote: Please explain to me how drowning the whole world is example of perfect standard

It wasn't the whole world, it just was one town with all of human civilization living in it, so for them it probably felt like the whole world was flooding.

(May 29, 2013 at 8:37 am)Godschild Wrote: You need to give an example of what you believe God has done wrong.
To much generalization in your question.

How about when he ordered the slaughter of and entire city? I would call that murder.

How about when he fucked over Job on a bet? Wouldn't you call that a sin?