(May 29, 2013 at 3:10 pm)wwjs Wrote: Seems like you have no problem with justifying God's actions as long as they are not directed at you

It has been and I accepted what came my way, God chastise those He loves and cares about, it changed my life forever.

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(May 29, 2013 at 3:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Let's not forget that the first thing this totally non-evil Noah, a just and perfect "preacher of righteousness", did after making landfall with his magic boat was to slaughter one of every clean (and by now critically endangered) species and burn them so Yahweh could "smell a sweet savour". Then he planted a vineyard, got pissed out of his gourd on the crop, exposed himself to his children in his drunken stupor and cursed his grandchildren just because their parents saw him naked. Now there's a wholesome lesson for you!

Oh, I suppose that you're the perfect little man. So perfect that you can judge all others.

(May 28, 2013 at 6:02 pm)Ryantology Wrote: As I said the boss can't do that, you want to speculate on the impossible for man, it's of no consequence to this .

It is absolutely of consequence. It, in fact, has everything to do with this.

Quote:No, and I said so in my statement of why God is the perfect standard, please go back and read what I actually stated, you're rehashing things already explained, bring new questions, please.

You made it perfectly obvious that is what you believe when you said this:

Quote:Did the crime boss create this store owner, did he start the business, no, so rightfully he has no say other than he takes it

If the crime boss created the store owner and/or started his business, he would rightfully be able to do whatever he wanted. That is a restatement of your own words, changing nothing, not even the implications.

You then attributed this behavior to Satan, even though this betrays your own poor understanding of scripture. Satan is nowhere depicted taking lives or livelihoods away from anybody even in the Bible, except in the book of Job, and only then because God permitted him to do it. Satan is not depicted as a raging, omnicidal lunatic. Satan doesn't slaughter infants in a fury. Satan doesn't punish innocents for the crime of living too close to sinners. Only God does that, and he does it indiscriminately.

Quote:What do you think, is that a righteous action/attitude, is that morally acceptable?

Obviously not. Could you please stop dodging my questions?

Quote:No, you are not a righteous person according to scriptures, so how could you possibly be a righteous judge. I know what you're try to get at but, we can not always understand the omniscient decisions God makes. To quote God "Your ways are not my ways and your thoughts are not my thoughts, in other words we can not understand why God does some things, I wish I could it would help in life.

But, if I was God, that would not matter. I could do whatever I wanted and it would be just and righteous. This includes skinning you alive and pouring alcohol on the wounds. Is this true or untrue?

Quote:What question, I've answered all the questions that I saw as relevant. I did not say that, again you are putting words into my statements that I did not, that is dishonest.

I am not putting words in your mouth. I am, indeed, quoting you directly. You believe that no action can be evil or wrong if God is the one doing it, no matter what the action is. Yes or no?

The problem is not that my questions are not relevant, but that they are too relevant. I have pointed out your blatant hypocrisy and you are just not enough of a man to own up to it.

(May 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 29, 2013 at 3:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Let's not forget that the first thing this totally non-evil Noah, a just and perfect "preacher of righteousness", did after making landfall with his magic boat was to slaughter one of every clean (and by now critically endangered) species and burn them so Yahweh could "smell a sweet savour". Then he planted a vineyard, got pissed out of his gourd on the crop, exposed himself to his children in his drunken stupor and cursed his grandchildren just because their parents saw him naked. Now there's a wholesome lesson for you!

Oh, I suppose that you're the perfect little man. So perfect that you can judge all others.

No, I'm not perfect, nor am I a "little man", little boy. Then again, I've never claimed to be, unlike the characters in your piddling little fiction. Far from judging all others, I make comment on one silly little cartoon character in one silly little story and I hardly need to be perfect to do so. Neither do I make it personal. If you find yourself taking offence then perhaps you should question your own position? Maybe it's not quite as secure as you might think.

(May 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: Oh, I suppose that you're the perfect little man. So perfect that you can judge all others.

You know, for someone who routinely judges anyone on this forum who dares to disagree with your god-bothering delusions, it's pretty rich for you to be asserting that one needs to be perfect before they can judge others, GC.

Quote:Oh, I suppose that you're the perfect little man. So perfect that you can judge all others.

We're certainly capable of judging the wanton cruelty in your blood-thirsty god.

(May 28, 2013 at 6:02 pm)GC Wrote: As I said the boss can't do that, you want to speculate on the impossible for man, it's of no consequence to this .

Ryan Wrote:It is absolutely of consequence. It, in fact, has everything to do with this.

Explain how something a man can not possibly do be of any consequence, if you believe it can then you have completely deluded yourself.

GC Wrote:No, and I said so in my statement of why God is the perfect standard, please go back and read what I actually stated, you're rehashing things already explained, bring new questions, please.

Ryan Wrote:You made it perfectly obvious that is what you believe when you said this:

GC Wrote:Did the crime boss create this store owner, did he start the business, no, so rightfully he has no say other than he takes it

Ryan Wrote:If the crime boss created the store owner and/or started his business, he would rightfully be able to do whatever he wanted. That is a restatement of your own words, changing nothing, not even the implications.

Sorry pal that's what you said, I stated it was impossible for the boss
to create, like I said you need to read what I post not what you think I posted.

Ryan Wrote:You then attributed this behavior to Satan, even though this betrays your own poor understanding of scripture. Satan is nowhere depicted taking lives or livelihoods away from anybody even in the Bible, except in the book of Job, and only then because God permitted him to do it. Satan is not depicted as a raging, omnicidal lunatic. Satan doesn't slaughter infants in a fury. Satan doesn't punish innocents for the crime of living too close to sinners. Only God does that, and he does it indiscriminately.

You must be crazy, I said Satan took advantage of Adam and Eve, the same as the crime boss did the store owner. You are being fooled if you think Satan is not responsible for a great deal of the evil in the world. We are told that Satan is so evil only the power of God holds him back from destroying the human race.

GC Wrote:What do you think, is that a righteous action/attitude, is that morally acceptable?

Ryan Wrote:Obviously not. Could you please stop dodging my questions?

Since you agree that what you said not a righteous act then what do you think my answer would be. It was a ridiculous question, sensible questions will be answered.

GC Wrote:No, you are not a righteous person according to scriptures, so how could you possibly be a righteous judge. I know what you're try to get at but, we can not always understand the omniscient decisions God makes. To quote God "Your ways are not my ways and your thoughts are not my thoughts, in other words we can not understand why God does some things, I wish I could it would help in life.

Rayan Wrote:But, if I was God, that would not matter. I could do whatever I wanted and it would be just and righteous. This includes skinning you alive and pouring alcohol on the wounds. Is this true or untrue?

But if I was, But if I was, But if I was, you ain't and never will be so why bring it up. God can not do what ever He wants, if He did something sinful He would no longer be the God worshiped by Christians, and in actuality it is impossible for God to do anything outside His righteous self.

GC Wrote:What question, I've answered all the questions that I saw as relevant. I did not say that, again you are putting words into my statements that I did not, that is dishonest.

Ryan Wrote:I am not putting words in your mouth. I am, indeed, quoting you directly. You believe that no action can be evil or wrong if God is the one doing it, no matter what the action is. Yes or no?

What now, you want me to answer without an explanation. I suppose to do it your way or no way, you need to get real.
Any action God takes goes through His love and righteous judgement. I accept what God determines, He is omniscient He does know what's best.

Ryan Wrote:The problem is not that my questions are not relevant, but that they are too relevant. I have pointed out your blatant hypocrisy and you are just not enough of a man to own up to it.

You have very few relevant questions, mostly childish tripe, grow up and start using relevant statements and/or questions. I'm tired of going through this nonsense of, but if or but if I.

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(May 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(May 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: Oh, I suppose that you're the perfect little man. So perfect that you can judge all others.

No, I'm not perfect, nor am I a "little man", little boy. Then again, I've never claimed to be, unlike the characters in your piddling little fiction. Far from judging all others, I make comment on one silly little cartoon character in one silly little story and I hardly need to be perfect to do so. Neither do I make it personal. If you find yourself taking offence then perhaps you should question your own position? Maybe it's not quite as secure as you might think.

My position is secure, no problem there. When you demean what I take seriously, why are you so surprised when I come back with a remark. Yes you have made it personal, why you can't see that is beyond me.

What, pointing out the absurdities in a story, however dearly regarded, equates to a personal attack now? Are you sure you're not insecure?

Still, at least you're not as defensive as, say, Abrams-Trek fans. Those dudes are scary.

(May 29, 2013 at 3:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: Just who do you think you are to demand I even answer you, man you're a joke. I'll answer when you show some kind of responsible statement.

Yeah like saying a world genocide was a 'prefect judgement on an evil world'?

Totally responsible, totally coherent, totally nonsense. Take a bow, GC.

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(May 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: Oh, I suppose that you're the perfect little man. So perfect that you can judge all others.

Judge all others as in when you said that genocide en masse was the perfect judgement? Bit judgmental don't you think?

(May 30, 2013 at 12:08 am)Godschild Wrote: We are told that [bla bla bla]

Yeah, that's our problem with your story... You are told something and you buy it, you accept it as reality.
We do not accept the story as representative of reality.
To put it another way, we accept it as much as we accept the harry potter series as representative of reality.... or the Lord of the Rings... or the Song of Fire and Ice.... or Star Wars....

oops, there I am again, butting in the middle of one of those "let's suppose god exists and he's like the guy depicted in the bible" threads.

Godschild Wrote:.......My position is secure, no problem there.

I wish you would understand what damage you causing.
If people like you would not have invented so many bad news like hell and all other dogmas there would be a lot more people believing in God.
You should really stop to procrastinate these false truth at once.
If you really think that you are correct you should prove that God ever said this or that.