dazzn, the reason we need a moral system is so that people like you don't talk the rest of us into becoming the majority.

I try not to be mean with others, because I wouldn't want to be treated as such. If anyone else decides to follow the same idea, good for them, but it's nothing that I expect of everyone.

And as for bullying happens only to 'geeky' people, well, you're an idiot. I have been bullied at work a handful of times, usually because of me being younger. How geeky isn't that?! (Fortunately bullies are usually very insecure people, who when faced with resistance, back down pretty easily )

(May 27, 2013 at 4:51 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:

(May 27, 2013 at 4:35 pm)dazzn Wrote: yeah.. though i don't hold geeky interests. we all know that this is the key to getitng bullied.

Wrong again. Sexual orientation isn't a geeky interest, and people get bullied over that.

Quote:nobody truly thinks bullying is wrong or "immoral". it's merely something people say and not mean.

I don’t presume to speak for anyone else, but I believe bullying is wrong and that makes you a liar.

If people get bullied, so what? life is tough and people are/can be unkind.

Also, I disagree with your assessment of bullying. I think humans to some extent like to dominate others, though this is a function of personality to a large part.

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(May 28, 2013 at 12:02 am)bennyboy Wrote: dazzn, the reason we need a moral system is so that people like you don't talk the rest of us into becoming the majority.

lulz.. and?

Morality is ultimately determined by the majority.

Our compassionate morals may be overtuned in 50 years or so. who knows? as morality is transient, who cares if it is? Most on this forum will be elderly if/when that occurs, so we wouldn't have times to experience any "horrors" lol..

So... this is something like the third thread where he's said 'People contradict, so what?'

Nope, no patterns to be found here

Do you have any prejudices?
Is it normal to destroy people who get in your way in life?
Denial of freedom
Why do some blacks moan and whine about slavery?
Would you ever cheat in a relationship?
why shouldn't adults bully each other?
Why do we need morals?
digital music downloads
the true basis of moral subjectivism?
Do you believe in cheating?
Are Western societies fully equal as yet?
What will reform political philosophy?
Do you believe in behavioural modernity?
Is psychiatry evil?

people do contradict. prove they do not.

(May 31, 2013 at 12:57 am)dazzn Wrote: people do contradict. prove they do not.

I see you still won't take me up on my offer to upload knowledge.

(May 31, 2013 at 12:57 am)dazzn Wrote: people do contradict. prove they do not.

Nobody is claiming that they don't.

What you have failed to appreciate is that when you hold beliefs that are contradictory, at least one and perhaps as many as all of those beliefs are necessarily incorrect.

Holding incoherent beliefs is of course your prerogative. Don't expect to be treated as anything more than a troll if you do so willingly and knowingly.

I personally would strongly urge you to take cato up on his offer.

(May 27, 2013 at 11:28 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(May 27, 2013 at 11:26 am)dazzn Wrote: I see no reason for moral systems. can you cite why we need them?

Because we're social animals that require each other and our broader society in order to live the comfortable lives that many of us do. In an effort to maintain this society- in the past this would be a way to avoid getting fucked up by any number of environmental factors, but today is mainly about keeping up our level of comfort and convenience- we agree not to operate in ways that harm one another. It's a social contract we all opt into, in order to keep things running to our advantage.

Do you like the society that keeps you sufficiently alive and vested with wealth enough to spend your time on an atheist forum through a space age magic box that only a few decades ago would have been science fiction? Me too! So you see, we're both invested in replicating behaviors that allow that structure to keep ticking over.

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(May 31, 2013 at 1:07 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(May 31, 2013 at 12:57 am)dazzn Wrote: people do contradict. prove they do not.

Nobody is claiming that they don't.

What you have failed to appreciate is that when you hold beliefs that are contradictory, at least one and perhaps as many as all of those beliefs are necessarily incorrect.

Holding incoherent beliefs is of course your prerogative. Don't expect to be treated as anything more than a troll if you do so willingly and knowingly.

I personally would strongly urge you to take cato up on his offer.

It depends. if contradiction is the norm, then my contradictions cannot be deemed as "wrong". No more than 7 billion other persons, right?

I still contend you don't get how humans behave, since as cited 7 billion already do.

Whatever gets you through the day.

eh? you dispute that humans are contradictory. if so, then frankly you're stupid.