(June 3, 2013 at 2:31 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(June 3, 2013 at 2:25 pm)meak Wrote: If it's clearly an open relationship that both parties agree on, why not? If the other person doesn't know, it's a betrayal and just really, really mean.

If it's an open relationship, I wouldn't consider that cheating.

I'm friends with a handful of polyamorous people. They're good fun (without being involved). They have really healthy mindsets.

I agree: with an agreement, it's not cheating at all. Cheating is another word for betrayal. It means you've either made a promise, or gone into a situation where a promise is implied, and then broken that promise. It means you are willing to sacrifice the goals of others for your own.

Is it wrong to break promises? Yes, and here's why: the thing that makes people special among animals is that we can define our own lives, and act on ideas rather than on pure instinct. Failing to keep your word means your words have no meaning-- you've lost that ability to separate yourself from the world of shit-throwing primates.

Maybe it's just pride. But when I see some monkey jerking off in the zoo, I like to think I'm a couple steps above that.

(June 3, 2013 at 9:12 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Maybe it's just pride. But when I see some monkey jerking off in the zoo, I like to think I'm a couple steps above that.

How old are you? I'm 28 and I know most men aren't much more than that...

You -would- like to think that..wouldn't you, but from his cage.......the monkey sees you as being quite a few steps beneath jacking his little weenus, probably has something to do with the cage..or that you're the one watching -him- badger the witness...lol.

(June 3, 2013 at 9:12 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Maybe it's just pride. But when I see some monkey jerking off in the zoo, I like to think I'm a couple steps above that.

What's wrong with that?!

I guess we could just keep on with the path we are taking, building rifts between men and women until we consider ourselves totally different species altogether (women are from Venus, men from Mars etc). Then we can all just enjoy cheating and being cheaten upon (its less fun being the latter btw) and learn that not a single specimen from our species is trustworthy. Of course, the implications of not trusting another human being are psychologically complicatory and i thought it was what we were fighting to get away from. The effects of relational dishonesty in our society undermine our productivity (divorce, division of assets, throwing of assets out window, etc.) and there are casualties very often in the form of the younger generation who witness the inequities, are affected the most, and continue the line of primal behaviors. If you want to have sex with more than one person the rest of your life, find someone like minded who doesn't consider polyamorousness to be a betrayal. Then its not cheating. If you get mad at your spouse or things aren't working: go to counseling and if that doesn't work then amicably end the relationship. Like a boss.

(June 3, 2013 at 9:18 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: How old are you? I'm 28 and I know most men aren't much more than that...

Hey, men go to the privacy of a zoo bathroom to do that like decent primates!

(June 3, 2013 at 1:00 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Is there a right reason with a right motivation? I don't think there is. If your partner is cheating on you leave them. Best revenge in the world, honestly.

yes, since anything goes in life.

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(June 2, 2013 at 8:15 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: I think dude is trying to argue that you shouldn't care if someone breaks your trust. In which case, good life to him - I hope he gets fucked in work, relationship, banking, family and friendship. Possibly also the criminal justice system. Maybe then he'll understand what "trust" means.

society that that morals are subjective and transient.

so anything goes, by definition. if you truly believe that morals are subjective, then it lends to anything being acceptable anytime. it also negates "conscience", but if you don't want qualify your beliefs, that's your own business.

It's like saying that's it's never right to eat meat, but steak is good, without explaining the nuance. as said, it's your own business, not mine or anybody else's.

(June 5, 2013 at 9:17 am)dazzn Wrote: society that that morals are subjective and transient.

so anything goes, by definition. if you truly believe that morals are subjective, then it lends to anything being acceptable anytime. it also negates "conscience", but if you don't want qualify your beliefs, that's your own business.

You keep saying things like that and I still don't have a clue what idea (if any) you're really trying to convey! Morals are subjective, but how does that lead to "anything goes"? There still is a common denominator determined by the majority and written down in the law which are all those morals society decided to apply to anyone, whether (s)he shares those ideals or not, with the justification that (s)he decides to live in that society.

(June 5, 2013 at 9:26 am)littleendian Wrote:

(June 5, 2013 at 9:17 am)dazzn Wrote: society that that morals are subjective and transient.

so anything goes, by definition. if you truly believe that morals are subjective, then it lends to anything being acceptable anytime. it also negates "conscience", but if you don't want qualify your beliefs, that's your own business.

You keep saying things like that and I still don't have a clue what idea (if any) you're really trying to convey! Morals are subjective, but how does that lead to "anything goes"? There still is a common denominator determined by the majority and written down in the law which are all those morals society decided to apply to anyone, whether (s)he shares those ideals or not, with the justification that (s)he decides to live in that society.

I disagree. subjective morality means that anything is acceptable, and one merely forms his or her own personal morality.

(June 5, 2013 at 9:28 am)dazzn Wrote: I disagree. subjective morality means that anything is acceptable, and one merely forms his or her own personal morality.

So you're arguing against the law, there shouldn't be rules that bind everyone in a society? Everyone should make up their own mind? Anarchy?

it depends. moral subjectivism leads to anarchy. that is the true rationale behind the ideal, is it not?