(June 6, 2013 at 4:55 am)Esquilax Wrote: science acknowledges that it can't prove anything for which there is no demonstrable evidence, and thus refuses to bother. I wonder why?

Interesting change of tach. So now you're saying it's outside the realm of science?

So now are you dismissing what can be logically deduced?

(June 6, 2013 at 5:02 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Interesting change of tach. So now you're saying it's outside the realm of science?

Nothing is outside the realm of science. If science cannot recognize it or never has, it is purely a form of human imagination.

Jesus H. Christ (no pun intended), I'm so glad I'm in Germany, and that's not something I say wantonly mind you.

Nothing against America and all the magnificent magnificent accomplishments she has achieved and great change she brought to the world, but those kind of fundamentalist Christians are few and far in between here and exert far less political power today than it seems they do in the US.

Thank *your favourite deity or principle* for that!

(June 6, 2013 at 5:05 am)littleendian Wrote: Thank *your favourite deity or principle* for that!

I do not wish fundamentalism on anyone, but I wish we could legally place all religious nuts on a barricaded island so that they could procreate themselves out of existence.

(June 6, 2013 at 4:59 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(June 6, 2013 at 4:56 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Please prove that Maelstrom.

To you, logic is "imagination". i wonder how you manage to function in life at all.

When religion displays logic in its apparently imaginative beliefs, then you can claim I am held to the burden of proof. Otherwise, enjoy attempting to prove your extraordinary claims are based on anything more than faith. I will be waiting.

Don't change the subject. You made an extraordinary claim that science could one day prove God. This is logical nonsense and needs to be trashed so that science should remain a valuable tool. Please demonstrate the validity of your claim or retract.

And any time you see me make an extraordinary claim, please do pull me up on it.

(June 6, 2013 at 5:10 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You made an extraordinary claim that science could one day prove God

Do you think that after all science has done to progress humanity from the dark ages that if God has not yet been proven there is still the possibility? The only extraordinary claim is the one made where science cannot prove its validity. I am not sorry to disappoint your shallow mind in stating that God is very much akin to leprechauns. You do not believe in leprechauns, and there is as much validity relating to their existence as there is to your God. Think about it. Try to use that brain for something other than keeping it buried in the sands of ignorance.

(June 6, 2013 at 5:10 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Don't change the subject. You made an extraordinary claim that science could one day prove God. This is logical nonsense and needs to be trashed so that science should remain a valuable tool. Please demonstrate the validity of your claim or retract.

And any time you see me make an extraordinary claim, please do pull me up on it.

Actually, I think you'll find the real line of reasoning is that science reflects reality, and has no specific bias against god. That is, if your god exists, then one can devise a scientific method by which he could be proven, because things that exist leave evidence, and those things that don't are not only indistinguishable from things that don't exist, they are equally as ineffectual.

You, however, cry out "oh no, god's not a science thing, it's metaphysics!" as if that's a cover for your complete and utter, millenia long lack of evidence. It's you who claimed god is beyond the reach of science, not I: my initial post here explicitly stated my position.

(June 6, 2013 at 5:14 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(June 6, 2013 at 5:10 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You made an extraordinary claim that science could one day prove God

Do you think that after all science has done to progress humanity from the dark ages that if God has not yet been proven there is still the possibility? The only extraordinary claim is the one made where science cannot prove its validity. I am not sorry to disappoint your shallow mind in stating that God is very much akin to leprechauns. You do not believe in leprechauns, and there is as much validity relating to their existence as there is to your God. Think about it. Try to use that brain for something other than keeping it buried in the sands of ignorance.

Science has done nothing to progress theology. It's a different subject, in case you don't know. The scientific naivety of biblical antiquity needs to be taken as it is. That is: no claim of authority in scientific terms. Likewise, as science progresses, we shall move forward in our understanding. If it was Gods purpose to explain scientific fact don't you think we'd have nothing more to discover? Yet Christianity for one, instigated scientific endeavour since the enlightenment? You need to acknowledge these huge contradictions to your position here.

You re state your absurd extraordinary assertion. 2nd chance... please back it up.

How can Science prove something exists when it doesn't exist?

(June 6, 2013 at 5:33 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Science has done nothing to progress theology

Goodness knows it has tried, however. Theology cannot progress because it is unchanging, remaining in the lowest dredges of human existence where man is supposedly meant to be subservient to religion. When man escapes, what is the church's answer? Evil, sin, hell, the usual drivel purported to make man a slave to ignorance.