Atheist are put to death in countries which he does not want to live in. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and a few others. They are treated harshly by every other group in those areas. But, all Muslims are committed to convert non-believers, or they just persecute/kill them.

(June 18, 2013 at 5:26 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: It is the same God of Jews and Christian

Ein Volk? Ein Reich? Ein Führer?

(June 19, 2013 at 3:37 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(June 18, 2013 at 6:12 am)Zen Badger Wrote: You claim your god exists, we don't believe you. And since you can no longer kill those who disbelief your claims you now need to provide evidence.

I didn't claim, it is a proof with that conclusion
to refute it, you need to use a scientific/logical method
It is not about beliefs, it is simply logic

Logic is a powerful tool, but inferior to reason. Allow me to demonstrate:

All smart men create an avatar named 'Muslim Scholar'.
All smart men fuck goats dressed in stockings at a roof's edge.
Muslim Scholar fucks goats dressed in stockings at a roof's edge.

My logic is sound, but my conclusion is absurd. Why?

(June 19, 2013 at 4:11 am)cato123 Wrote:

(June 19, 2013 at 3:37 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I didn't claim, it is a proof with that conclusion
to refute it, you need to use a scientific/logical method
It is not about beliefs, it is simply logic

Logic is a powerful tool, but inferior to reason. Allow me to demonstrate:

The first part is true while the second is not
Logic is just a tool, it is useless without facts or observations

Logic is the tool for the proof, while Observations are the sources for the premises
Reason is not a scientific term because it may include personal judgment

Heres a simpler one for you.

I observe you to be a bigot by the very definition of the term.

Therefore you're a bigot.

(June 19, 2013 at 4:18 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Reason is not a scientific term because it may include personal judgment

Wrong!

Reaason excludes personal biases to create final judgements of the observed subject.

You either also dont understand the concept of reason (which would not suprise me)

Or you simply added the the words "include personal judgement" for dishonest reasons, hence because of your personal judgement.

I just went through every page of this horrendously pathetic thread and I don't see a single mathematical proof. Someone please link it, I would like to laugh at it uncontrollably while I pump some breast milk.

(June 19, 2013 at 4:33 am)missluckie26 Wrote: I just went through every page of this horrendously pathetic thread and I don't see a single mathematical proof. Someone please link it, I would like to laugh at it uncontrollably while I pump some breast milk.

Proof of God existence

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Quote:Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

It is not like that because the existence of Evil is not bad by itself
The existence of evil choice is the reason for being good,

God will reward believers based on their choice between good and bad
without the bad/evil choice there is no point of rewarding good doers

Take an example
If you own a company and put an incentives system to reward everybody, then you are an idiot without relating incentives (and punishments) to actions and performance.


If God really did that and saved everybody into paradise
then Atheists will say, What a .... God, there is no point of believing in him, so he doesn't exist

(June 19, 2013 at 5:26 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(June 19, 2013 at 4:33 am)missluckie26 Wrote: I just went through every page of this horrendously pathetic thread and I don't see a single mathematical proof. Someone please link it, I would like to laugh at it uncontrollably while I pump some breast milk.

Proof of God existence

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Quote:Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

It is not like that because the existence of Evil is not bad by itself
The existence of evil choice is the reason for being good,

God will reward believers based on their choice between good and bad
without the bad/evil choice there is no point of rewarding good doers

Take an example
If you own a company and put an incentives system to reward everybody, then you are an idiot without relating incentives (and punishments) to actions and performance.


If God really did that and saved everybody into paradise
then Atheists will say, What a .... God, there is no point of believing in him, so he doesn't exist

So if god is like a company owner and Islam is correct then god has only been giving out the correct company policy advice to a relatively small amount of his entire company (Muslims) over a relatively small period of time , the majority of the world meanwhile has been worshiping false gods, committing shirk, human sacrifices and war. let's not forget that even within followers of his own company policy booklet lots and lots of them have misread it supposedly. Resulting in acid being thrown into womens faces, the twin towers going down, stabbings, bombings, beatings of women and so on.
God must be a bit of an idiot.

(June 19, 2013 at 3:37 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(June 18, 2013 at 6:12 am)Zen Badger Wrote: You claim your god exists, we don't believe you. And since you can no longer kill those who disbelief your claims you now need to provide evidence.

I didn't claim, it is a proof with that conclusion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWrD_V4YOyo