(June 19, 2013 at 6:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Do they come from Yahweh? Are they inspired? Do they follow the reasoning of what Yahweh would be like?

According to the Bible, is this or is this not from 'God'?

1 Samuel 15:2-

This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.[/quote]

Quote:No. 3. Don't be evil. Other gods = not gods. The worship of destructive forces. Condoning rape, greed, etc..

I got to say, you really deserve a 10 for your mental gymnastics. Bravo!

Is murder and theft part of your 'etc' above? There are specific commandments for those, why not rape, slavery and child molestation?

Quote:I cannot ignore my moral compass any more than you can.

Yet you try to justify 'God's' orders to slaughter entire towns in the Bible. If 'God' ordered you to do something that you currently think is immoral, would you do it?

Quote:You suggest that I'm immoral based on what? Oh yes, misinformation: no one has shown how these examples prove injustice. I wait with baited breath. I may die of asphyxiation quite soon.

Please explain, in what context, would the order to slaughter every person in a town is just and moral?

(June 19, 2013 at 6:54 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Please explain, in what context, would the order to slaughter every person in a town is just and moral?

The words were written about a just God exercising justice. You claim the opposite yet I've yet to see one valid scrap of information that might support that.

Yours is the burden of proof. Please tell me how you know that the above is unjust and not just. Please explain how you, like God, are omniscient. Perhaps you have an omniscient friend. Don't be coy. This is important.

(June 19, 2013 at 4:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is no proof there that bad happened. That justice wasn't served. You do not know, because you don't have the ability to know everything. The point the author is making is that justice is served. Justice is good.

So, in other words, there are situations in which slaughtering innocent people is just and good? Please explain.

Quote:First make a challenge, then ask for opposition.

I did. You refused to accept it because you want to avoid the facts, or that you find it acceptable when children are mass-murdered for the crimes of someone else.

(June 19, 2013 at 6:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I've yet to see one valid scrap of information that might support that.

I dare you to be ignorant enough to repeat that statement one more time during your time on this forum. You are intentionally ignoring the facts placed in front of you for your blind subservience.

It is sickening.

You should have more respect for your intellect than to resort to such shenanigans.

(June 19, 2013 at 6:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yours is the burden of proof. Please tell me how you know that the above is unjust and not just. Please explain how you, like God, are omniscient. Perhaps you have an omniscient friend. Don't be coy. This is important.

Oh! Oh! I know this one!

It's because genocide is never just! Never ever! Not even once! Neither is any form of killing!

Is this not clear to you?

I think I could ask a goddamn child about that and get the correct answer. Why are you so ready to defend the indefensible?

No, I rather like that. I apparently do not know enough to properly appreciate how useful and beneficial the mass murder of infants and children can be.

This is why, when Christians insist that they really do get text messages from God in their brains, it makes me shudder. One vivid hallucination or dream of God telling them to set a daycare center on fire is all it might take for these people to flick their Bics and not ask questions.

(June 19, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

(June 19, 2013 at 4:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is no proof there that bad happened. That justice wasn't served. You do not know, because you don't have the ability to know everything. The point the author is making is that justice is served. Justice is good.

So, in other words, there are situations in which slaughtering innocent people is just and good? Please explain.

I see you adding something to the text. "innocent".

You see, first you have to support that claim. Until you do, I cannot defend what remains unchallenged.

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(June 19, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

Quote:First make a challenge, then ask for opposition.

I did. You refused to accept it because you want to avoid the facts, or that you find it acceptable when children are mass-murdered for the crimes of someone else.

Once more with the imaginary words.

Please show how you arrive at murder and crimes. None are there in the original. You pulled them out of the hat like magic.

You know what we say here about unsupported claims right?

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(June 19, 2013 at 8:07 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(June 19, 2013 at 6:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I've yet to see one valid scrap of information that might support that.

I dare you to be ignorant enough to repeat that statement one more time during your time on this forum. You are intentionally ignoring the facts placed in front of you for your blind subservience.

It is sickening.

You should have more respect for your intellect than to resort to such shenanigans.

What's this, a threat?

All you have to do here bud is support the claims you are making. No one has managed to substantiate anything yet. I would think honesty would be important to you.

You seem very convinced of your position, yet you have no evidence. How so?

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(June 20, 2013 at 12:12 am)Esquilax Wrote: genocide is never just!

Please demonstrate how that is so.

(June 20, 2013 at 1:40 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I see you adding something to the text. "innocent".

You see, first you have to support that claim. Until you do, I cannot defend what remains unchallenged.

Ask a tough question and the Christian suddenly forgets what is in his Bible.

#1: What sort of crime can an infant or small child possibly be guilty of, that deserves anything more than a scolding or spanking? Not even God has a rule calling for the death penalty for infants. Yet, he made sure to specifically instruct his killers to target them.

#2: Here is the crime for which the entire Amalekite population was put to the sword:

1 Samuel 15:2

I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.

So, we have a very specific crime. I would like for you to explain to me why you consider it just to punish the entire population of a kingdom for the acts of a few thousand men. Were all of these infants and children and women swinging swords at Israelites on the battlefield of Rephidim? This was a punishment for a specific act. It is not the random, careless slaughter of the Great Flood, a punishment for vague 'evil'. A handful of raiders attacked Jews on the road. That was all.

Stop dodging and tell me why it was just to kill every Amalekite for the actions of those few, fraudo. I'd prefer you not ask again where the mass murder is, because even I can't believe you're that fucking retarded.

(June 20, 2013 at 1:40 am)fr0d0 Wrote: No one has managed to substantiate anything yet.

Do not be so facetious, because neither have you to substantiate anything. Rather, you make turnabout comments redirecting the burden away from you. If you want to remain smart, you should reevaluate yourself. Goodness knows, one only gets so many chances with me. You have just used your last chance.

(June 20, 2013 at 1:50 am)Ryantology Wrote: #1: What sort of crime can an infant or small child possibly be guilty of, that deserves anything more than a scolding or spanking?

#2: So, we have a very specific crime.

#1 is a dishonest over simplification. You omit the fact that God would judge the whole life of the child and it's potential descendants. Only God can know if that future is innocent or guilty, and is the only one who can exact justice. Once more, how are you judging God? What knowledge do you possess and how? If you cannot know, how are you making these claims?

#2 "crime" is a word you added and yet there is no evidence of a crime being committed. People we're killed. God served justice. Please show your proof that these people we're innocent.

Simply saying "oh no it isn't" isn't good enough. If you have a case, let's hear it.