(June 22, 2013 at 11:11 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: How could anybody not see that he is a huge failure, liar and hypocrite?

Oh, one just has to look at what the alternatives would have been.

McCain or Romney? Two piles of shit.

Unfortunately, our system does not produce great leaders.

Obama has also done a great deal in support of same sex marriage. Not that I think he is above reproach, because I honestly believe he has done some things that no president should do. Unfortunately, as it is with any president no matter his political leanings, his main priority is to the corporations rather than the people.

(June 22, 2013 at 12:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(June 22, 2013 at 11:11 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: How could anybody not see that he is a huge failure, liar and hypocrite?

Oh, one just has to look at what the alternatives would have been.

McCain or Romney? Two piles of shit.

Unfortunately, our system does not produce great leaders.

I don't disagree, I think it's a sad state when the best that can be said is that the opposition is even worse.

"war criminal & hypocrite of the century"

Richard Smith is/was/will be a proper war criminal 2042-87

"hypocrite of the century"
There were so many, I can't pick a winner.

Who was the last U.S. president who wasn't a war criminal?

Quote:"hypocrite of the century"

Herr Von Popenfuhrer.

(June 22, 2013 at 12:28 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(June 22, 2013 at 12:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Oh, one just has to look at what the alternatives would have been.

McCain or Romney? Two piles of shit.

Unfortunately, our system does not produce great leaders.

I don't disagree, I think it's a sad state when the best that can be said is that the opposition is even worse.

Which is why it's scary that these scandals could sway American's back to the cocksucking fundies on the right wing, who would fuel these constitutional abuses into overdrive.

The process of electing officials is equivalent to trying to find the shiniest turd in a cesspit.

I think Obama's biggest problem is that he cares far too much about opinions that should not matter to him, and it is probably (at least in part) for that reason that he would never think to corral the NSA or CIA or push hard for reducing the bloated defense budget so that we can actually do useful things with the money like feed and educate people.

(June 22, 2013 at 12:00 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote:

(June 22, 2013 at 11:07 am)plaincents822 Wrote: You know he is. Every crime that Bush made, Obama has either expanded on those policies or made new ones that are even shittier.

Is that why Obama has called to repeal the Authorization for Use of Military Force?

He also said he would close down Gitmo but nothing has happened on that front. He's made a lot of promises and most of them he has not kept. And those he has kept have turned out to be fairly inconsequential. If there is one thing I have learned, especially with 2nd term Obama, it's that talk is cheap. When Obama actually starts doing what he promises and what his constituents voted him in for, then I'll give him some praise.

And he has been very happy about using the AUMF, it's basically what his drone war is based off of. He also said that he wanted to refine and then ultimately repeal the AUMF, refine being the key word there. To me that means that parts of the AUMF will end up being placed permanently into legislation, so that by the time the bill is actually repealed it is a largely symbolic gesture. Think about it....why would you need to refine legislation if you plan on repealing it anyways?

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Honestly I think the best thing we can do right now is vote third party. You don't have just two choices! Third parties until we can get a publicly funded no party system.

(June 22, 2013 at 12:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(June 22, 2013 at 11:11 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: How could anybody not see that he is a huge failure, liar and hypocrite?

Oh, one just has to look at what the alternatives would have been.

McCain or Romney? Two piles of shit.

Unfortunately, our system does not produce great leaders.

There are more than two parties in the American electoral system. As soon as you guys realize this, you might get some decent politicians in office. They do exist; you just don't often find them in the Democratic and Republican parties.