(July 14, 2013 at 6:08 pm)Chuck Wrote: BTW, It is hard to argue the Europeans were more murderous than other races. When confronted with the opportunity and means to kill someone to gain one's own ends, hardly can it be argued that other race would have dived into it with any less relish and lust than Europeans.

Case in point, I've been reading "The Disappearing Spoon" and there's a very interesting passage about the genocide going on that was aided by European money solely by the fact that Europeans were buying minerals that the Congo had, and the Congo residents, instead of using that money to build their communities in a positive light, used it to purchase weapons and commit further atrocities in the name of tribal warfare.

People lack only the means, not the motive.

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(July 15, 2013 at 9:19 am)Red Celt Wrote: Barbarian was a Greek word, not Roman. The Romans made a point of inclusivity as their empire expanded around the Mediterranean. A Roman citizen could be any colour.

The Jews wouldn't have had half so many problems with the Romans had they not insisted on being stiff-necked assholes.

(July 15, 2013 at 9:17 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Oh hello, dear!

Except:

(July 15, 2013 at 9:14 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: In contrast, I don't have much to show for, except for the arab countries who are quite civilized I'd say.

Are you bloody serious?

I didn't realize putting women in bags and chopping people's heads off for shit that's no one else's business was "civilized".

Hello!
And yes I am quite serious. Most of the arab countries that exist today are previous colonies, and were, as a matter of fact, quite civilized in their pre-cold war days. Well, most of them still could be if not for the political issues they are experiencing.
In contrast, countries like Dubai, Lebanon, Qatar, Saudi Arabia are quite civilized I'd say. No civil strife, no lawlessness, no manner of chaos, and except for Saudi Arabia, they're quite cosmopolitan and offer tourists and indeed their own citizens a lot of priviliges and benefits.
For example in Dubai, the government does not tax it's own people.
Lebanon, in particular Beirut is called the Jewel of the Middle east, and Paris of the Middle eastfor a reason.

All the other countries for example, Syria, or Egypt, have been subject to wars and civil strife, but are otherwise great places to live and visit, in my opinion.

But that is judging some Arab countries by a few cities...which is like judging all of America on the shit that comes out of Texas or Arizona.

(July 15, 2013 at 9:44 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: But that is judging some Arab countries by a few cities...which is like judging all of America on the shit that comes out of Texas or Arizona.

Well, I've met my fair share of arabs during my short time on earth, and except for a few cases I've met in Germany, they're generally a relaxed bunch of people. If left alone, they are easily herded, you only need to give them coffee and some flavored tobacco to smoke with their hookahs, nothing more.
Most of the trouble that occurs in Arabia and North Africa is mostly based on how any person who has interest in the rich natural resources can divide society, whether by income, tribe, or religious affiliation(as is the case in Iraq, and Syria), and then pit them against eachother. For Saudi Arabia that's not the case, for they have sold themselves out a long a time ago, however countries like Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine, with a deep history in Arab nationalism simply refuse to cooperate with western powers, and are, in accordance, stricken by war.
That's about it.

And the riots we keep hearing about?

(July 15, 2013 at 9:51 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: And the riots we keep hearing about?

Why do you think that these riots occur?

Because religious wacknuts encourage them to act in a disgusting manner.

And despite the "chill" attitude you describe, you can't deny the near constant reports of people who are treated like utter shit because they are not following one leader or another's version of Islam.

(July 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm)Koolay Wrote:

(July 13, 2013 at 2:30 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: I think people need to start looking past the whole racial divide 'we're more evolved' bollocks and start looking at one we can advance humanity as a whole, in its entirety. The issues we face on earth will be global ones in the future, so we need to act globally to combat them.

Well, so what?

Is the pattern incorrect or not?

All I know is that the free market will win out in the end and that if someone chooses to murder you because of your race, well, that's A-ok if there's a consensus. Isn't it?

Real talk.

Seeking to analyse this kind of issue through the parsimony that you (seemingly) wish to adopt is not only silly; it's naive. But really, did we expect anything else from you kool-aid? My hopes were so low they were next to dinosaur bones, so that's my cards on the table (free market cards). Also, Protip, when you cite someone else's post, try and include the most important part of it, ie, where I said that this topic is less about race and more about societal evolutions in differing parts of the world and the various structures and systems that were implemented as a result. Technological, economical and so on. It's simple, in a complex way.

(July 14, 2013 at 4:31 pm)cratehorus Wrote:

(July 13, 2013 at 12:24 pm)Chas Wrote: That's whacked. How is having a favored environment racist?

"having" a different enviroment isn't racist stating europeans are "better" human beings and here's why or answering "why are europeans better people" with a detailed analysis and an attempt in sound reasoning is.........many conservative writers even admit enviromental determism is very racist

.........again white people have tiny penises and have too fight and kill all other races because of this....... they are by far not peace loving........ if i killed everyone in my neighborhood and stole all their stuff am i more civilized? because of that act? no........ so why are white people?....... they are the most murderous degenerate race to ever exist

Each of your posts is crazier than the last.

(July 15, 2013 at 9:56 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Because religious wacknuts encourage them to act in a disgusting manner.

And despite the "chill" attitude you describe, you can't deny the near constant reports of people who are treated like utter shit because they are not following one leader or another's version of Islam.

Well, in countries like Syria and Lebanon, I'd say you're right, as it is the case in Iraq, secterian violence, based on a deep history of animosity between the Sunni and Shia does spark violence.
However for Egypt I'd say the quite opposite. Politics in the arab world are not done in the open, they're done behind closed doors. Usually, Russia, Iran and China supports one part, and the NATO supports the other.
And I'm excluding Iraq, because the Shias there have been supported by both America and Iran. But as for Syria, it's the same still. The Shia faction that rules Syria is supported by Iran, Russia and China, while the Sunni factions are supported by the NATO, I'd say that it was quite obvious from how the NATO howled for Assad's blood.
Similarly for other regimes in North Africa. As it goes Qaddafi was not supported by the NATO, while the religious wacknuts were.

And to your second point, that again comes down on the political situation in that country. We have the same thing here too, like Sunnis supporting one party, and the Alavis(I can't bear to call them Shia, as they are theologically very distant, despite adoring Ali all the same), supporting the other.
I mean, why did such things never occur during the British-French occupations of those places, or even when we Turks were the masters of Arabia at one time?
Obviously there is something else.