It's no different how religions will target people in jail. It's like they seek out people at their lowest point because they know they're extremely vulnerable and likely to swallow their bullshit. Notice how proselytizing doesn't work very well when it's used on people who are happy, healthy, and have their lives figured out.

(July 18, 2013 at 7:20 am)Ben Davis Wrote:

(July 17, 2013 at 5:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: all I could do was assume God was calling because of the feeling

Thanks GC. This is what I was getting at. Why would you make the assumption that the feeling was a 'call from god' when there are many other possible explanations which don't require any supernatural position? To put it another way, when someone is being treated for mental health issues, do you have a way of telling the difference between 'feelings that are a call from god' and 'feelings which are symptoms of mental health issues'?

Since I do not have mental health problems of that type I can't say how it effects a person. Being I know what the calling of God is like I know people will recognize that something different is going on. When God calls it's a felling one can not ignore even if they are not sure what is happening at the time. So instead of ignoring k2490 I offered help, it's what I do, especially when I know how troubling it can be spiritually to ignore God's call. To give you a more direct answer that's why I asked what the feeling was like, so I could try and help.

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(July 18, 2013 at 7:30 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: @Drich and gc, i meant that if you really cared about someone, you wouldn't ask them to make a life changing decision when they're emotionally burdened and have mental health issues. it's hard to understand how it could be for their benefit. so it strikes me as inconsiderate and opportunistic. particularly because it's not a good idea to introduce imaginary beings to someone who has mental health issues to begin with.

First, God is not imaginary. Second I was offering help, I never asked k2490 to become a Christian, I did let her/him know that if God was calling the answer would be in the NT. My interest was in helping not trying to push God on her/him, I know pushing God on a person does not help and i do not even know if God was calling it was an assumption, I wanted to help find her/him find out. I was offering help to someone who needed help with something I have experienced. If God was not calling then it would do no good to to push k2490, it would only hurt.

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(July 18, 2013 at 7:54 am)TheStateIsALie Wrote: Say this:
"I can not bring myself to fain belief in something which is so clearly untrue just to indulge you and other assholes like you. I find it funny that people like you think you are superior to me because you believe something so preposterous and idiotic. Its funny. I'm so sick of trying my best to laugh behind your back, as opposed to in your face, when you cant have the common decency to keep your stupid, ridiculous, offensive, primitive superstition to your self. Its dumb. And when you talk about it, you sound dumb. Please, oh please, shut the fuck up!"

Thats my advice anyway...

I have no advice to give you, someone who is so deeply disturbed as you are... well God can deal with your attitude I have no use for it. Laugh in my face I really don't care, you want be the first or the last.

So, GC, how would you feel if I told a Christian person suffering from mental health issues that they should consider my point of view, and perhaps that their god is non-existent?

Especially some Christian suffering from religious delusions, like say he thought God was telling him to kill some people? Would it not be better to counsel him that there is no god and the voices he's hearing are all in his head?

(July 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm)Faith No More Wrote: So, GC, how would you feel if I told a Christian person suffering from mental health issues that they should consider my point of view, and perhaps that their god is non-existent?

Or, indeed, being told to consider any god other than the one you believe in, GC?

But on the plus side, preying on the mentally ill and the incarcerated helps paint Christians as the scum of the earth. Just sayin'.

(July 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm)Faith No More Wrote: So, GC, how would you feel if I told a Christian person suffering from mental health issues that they should consider my point of view, and perhaps that their god is non-existent?

It's your right to do so, but you will not find as many Christians with mental problems as you might think.

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(July 18, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Especially some Christian suffering from religious delusions, like say he thought God was telling him to kill some people? Would it not be better to counsel him that there is no god and the voices he's hearing are all in his head?

No, he would need counseling that God does not work that way with today's world. He would then need to find out if he believes in the Christian God. Whatever avenue the treatment goes down it would ave to be done carefully.

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(July 18, 2013 at 8:26 pm)whateverist Wrote: But on the plus side, preying on the mentally ill and the incarcerated helps paint Christians as the scum of the earth. Just sayin'.

At least we offer help and hope instead of sarcastic remarks that only hurt and confuse those looking for help, you really think this kind of stuff is helpful to k2490, I do not.

(July 18, 2013 at 10:18 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm)Faith No More Wrote: So, GC, how would you feel if I told a Christian person suffering from mental health issues that they should consider my point of view, and perhaps that their god is non-existent?

It's your right to do so, but you will not find as many Christians with mental problems as you might think.

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Uh huh. You definitely know this.

(July 18, 2013 at 10:18 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm)Faith No More Wrote: So, GC, how would you feel if I told a Christian person suffering from mental health issues that they should consider my point of view, and perhaps that their god is non-existent?

It's your right to do so, but you will not find as many Christians with mental problems as you might think.

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(July 18, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Especially some Christian suffering from religious delusions, like say he thought God was telling him to kill some people? Would it not be better to counsel him that there is no god and the voices he's hearing are all in his head?

No, he would need counseling that God does not work that way with today's world. He would then need to find out if he believes in the Christian God. Whatever avenue the treatment goes down it would ave to be done carefully.

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(July 18, 2013 at 8:26 pm)whateverist Wrote: But on the plus side, preying on the mentally ill and the incarcerated helps paint Christians as the scum of the earth. Just sayin'.

At least we offer help and hope instead of sarcastic remarks that only hurt and confuse those looking for help, you really think this kind of stuff is helpful to k2490, I do not.

GC, you need stop acting like you know how to treat mental health diseases. I don't walk around pretending like I can do heart surgery. This isn't a fake disease you get to play around with, you don't recommend drugs to people who are sick, right? Then why are you playing doctor here? You think we, on a forum, should "help" someone who tells us they have mental health problems? How? By being pseudodoctors? We're just here to be friendly and hopefully provide a little support. If you cannot understand that your belief does not concern someone who's mentally ill, that only their beliefs matter in the course of their treatment and recovery, then I don't think you'll understand the point here.