(August 12, 2013 at 2:53 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: Same thing applies. Sadness and misery only serve the same purpose pain does. Suffering only serves a purpose if we can die. If we cannot die, then it's just being sadistic.

Also, how can you believe in all this? It's so far-fetched.

The purpose of hell is a punishment for eternal sin, when one sins and it's not forgiven it will last forever, the sin is against an eternal God, justice must be served. Now I'm not saying that hell want be a place of fire and actually it would be better if it is.

I find it far fetched not to believe, but to answer your question, it's simple when one has had the experiences I have, not that they just came along, I asked for that kind of relationship, it was a desire God graced me with.

GC

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(August 12, 2013 at 2:56 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: Head trauma.

Does this help the traumatic pain you're having.

GC

(August 12, 2013 at 3:13 am)Godschild Wrote:

(August 12, 2013 at 2:53 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: Same thing applies. Sadness and misery only serve the same purpose pain does. Suffering only serves a purpose if we can die. If we cannot die, then it's just being sadistic.

Also, how can you believe in all this? It's so far-fetched.

The purpose of hell is a punishment for eternal sin, when one sins and it's not forgiven it will last forever, the sin is against an eternal God, justice must be served. Now I'm not saying that hell want be a place of fire and actually it would be better if it is.

I find it far fetched not to believe, but to answer your question, it's simple when one has had the experiences I have, not that they just came along, I asked for that kind of relationship, it was a desire God graced me with.

GC

In other words hell serves no practical purpose. So ... it is sadistic to make people suffer for no purpose.

Have you spent equal amount of time and effort exploring other religions?

(August 12, 2013 at 3:24 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(August 12, 2013 at 3:13 am)Godschild Wrote: The purpose of hell is a punishment for eternal sin, when one sins and it's not forgiven it will last forever, the sin is against an eternal God, justice must be served. Now I'm not saying that hell want be a place of fire and actually it would be better if it is.

I find it far fetched not to believe, but to answer your question, it's simple when one has had the experiences I have, not that they just came along, I asked for that kind of relationship, it was a desire God graced me with.

GC

In other words hell serves no practical purpose. So ... it is sadistic to make people suffer for no purpose.

Have you spent equal amount of time and effort exploring other religions?

Why would I, I've experienced the living God.

The purpose is justice, justice never stops it is eternal. God makes no one suffer, it is a choice of each individual while living this life.

GC

You're raised in a society where Christianity is one of the major religions (I assume?). I wasn't. I've met more buddhists who've seen the buddhist hell when they have NDE or nightmares than I have seen Christians claim the same. Plenty of them have had prophetic dreams involving one of the buddhist deities. You're just like them, only a different god. Interestingly, muslims have never claimed this, at least the ones I know, I haven't had a muslim tell me that allah told them something, they mostly just quote the qur'an, maybe because the qur'an says mohammed is the last prophet, so they think they're not supposed to receive information directly from god, so they don't.

It isn't justice if it serves no purpose. Justice serves a purpose, that's why it's present in all society, in some form or another.

(August 12, 2013 at 3:49 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: You're raised in a society where Christianity is one of the major religions (I assume?). I wasn't. I've met more buddhists who've seen the buddhist hell when they have NDE or nightmares than I have seen Christians claim the same. Plenty of them have had prophetic dreams involving one of the buddhist deities. You're just like them, only a different god. Interestingly, muslims have never claimed this, at least the ones I know, I haven't had a muslim tell me that allah told them something, they mostly just quote the qur'an, maybe because the qur'an says mohammed is the last prophet, so they think they're not supposed to receive information directly from god, so they don't.

Yes I was raised in the so called Bible belt of the southern U.S. Yet it would not matter, the experiences I've had with God assures me in a knowledge He is the only God. I also am one who does not speculate on what ifs, to me that's a waste of time, those what ifs did not happen in my life, and there is no reason to dwell on such things that did not happen.
Maybe the Muslims do not hear from god because their god is not real, they claim the God of Abraham, yet their religion evolved out of a moon god. Look at their flag, it's a crescent moon with a star inside the crescent. The moon is the mother and the star is the son in the moon worship and the sun is the father, yet they ignore the sun on their flag. The original Buddha did not teach hell, it was a religion of ascension from one lived life to the next until you attained buddha, or at least I think it's that way. Reincarnation without a true god seems impossible, how would a dead man bring himself back to life as another.

Quote:It isn't justice if it serves no purpose. Justice serves a purpose, that's why it's present in all society, in some form or another.

If you believe what you've said above, then why would you deny justice to God's society and why would you deny His type of justice, is this for you to judge?

GC

(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote:

(August 12, 2013 at 3:49 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: You're raised in a society where Christianity is one of the major religions (I assume?). I wasn't. I've met more buddhists who've seen the buddhist hell when they have NDE or nightmares than I have seen Christians claim the same. Plenty of them have had prophetic dreams involving one of the buddhist deities. You're just like them, only a different god. Interestingly, muslims have never claimed this, at least the ones I know, I haven't had a muslim tell me that allah told them something, they mostly just quote the qur'an, maybe because the qur'an says mohammed is the last prophet, so they think they're not supposed to receive information directly from god, so they don't.

Yes I was raised in the so called Bible belt of the southern U.S. Yet it would not matter, the experiences I've had with God assures me in a knowledge He is the only God. I also am one who does not speculate on what ifs, to me that's a waste of time, those what ifs did not happen in my life, and there is no reason to dwell on such things that did not happen.

What is this in response to? I'm not saying if you grew up somewhere else it'd be different. I'm saying you probably haven't experienced a society that truly believes in something you think is absurd, so you wouldn't understand why I discount your experiences so easily.

Quote:Maybe the Muslims do not hear from god because their god is not real, they claim the God of Abraham, yet their religion evolved out of a moon god. Look at their flag, it's a crescent moon with a star inside the crescent. The moon is the mother and the star is the son in the moon worship and the sun is the father, yet they ignore the sun on their flag.

You missed my point. I'm saying muslims don't expect to hear from god, they don't believe they can, because they're not prophets, so we don't hear claims that they've heard from allah. Christians and buddhists believe this is possible, so we hear claims of their experiences, because their mind allows them to imagine these things.

What is this random blurb about Islam?

Quote:The original Buddha did not teach hell, it was a religion of ascension from one lived life to the next until you attained buddha, or at least I think it's that way. Reincarnation without a true god seems impossible, how would a dead man bring himself back to life as another.

Excuse me, buddhism involves more than just buddha. There are more deities and there is a very structured hell and there are things you can do to get out of there. Also reincarnation.

It really is no less bullshit than Christianity. In fact it even makes more sense because it's a polytheism.

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Quote:It isn't justice if it serves no purpose. Justice serves a purpose, that's why it's present in all society, in some form or another.

If you believe what you've said above, then why would you deny justice to God's society and why would you deny His type of justice, is this for you to judge?

GC

I said it isn't justice. I'm not denying justice, I said it serves no purpose therefore it isn't justice. Only things that have a purpose is considered justice.

Yes it is for me to judge.

Is hell a bad place? Yes. Extremely bad.

Is hell really a bad place? No, not at all.

(August 12, 2013 at 3:42 am)Godschild Wrote: God makes no one suffer, it is a choice of each individual while living this life.

A choice, eh? Intersting. Can you show an example that supports you, at least, the conscious self that identifies with "You", is at all the author of your thoughts? When "you" "make" a decision, are you looking at a field of options in your mind before hind? Does your brain lay out all the information it has sotred pertaining to the decision at hand for you to consider before you select the option that best suits you, or is it more like thoughts appearing in your mind for you to "choose" from?

Sam Harris speaks about it here, even a religious people can find this interesting:




Anyway, from where did those thoughts arise? If you don't know, you are certainly not the author of them, at least not the conscious "You" that you consider to be yourself. In fact, science has proved multiple times that your thoughts and decisions can be detected moments, sometimes even seconds before your conscious self even becomes aware of them! Check this out: Reference providing data in support of my claim "You" is more accurately an uninvolved observer. A witness to thoughts and decisions that were made by your subconscious, which were molded for you by your genetics, your environment, your upbringing, life experiences, the free will part, is all an illusion.

Even if you believe you have a soul, which I know you probably do, and you think that the material mind is NOT the only guiding entity, these truths are not affected. You can take no more credit for the types of things your soul guides you to than you can for the next words I'm about to say. You did not get to pick the soul you got anymore than I got to pick my subconcious. Be honest with yourself, and really consider what I'm telling you. You'll notice immediately that this is true. Even right now, while you read this, your subconscious is determining how you respond. If there's a God, he has already programmed us to end up in whatever bin he will ulitmately be sorting us into. Justice you say?

(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes I was raised in the so called Bible belt of the southern U.S.

Would this affect the subconscious agenda of your mind/soul?

(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Muslims do not hear from god because their god is not real, they claim the God of Abraham

Did you decide who your parents were going to be? Because, if not, you can take no more credit for being raised in a "bible belt" than they can for being born into areas which exposed them to the concepts you reject. Had you been born there, you would be singing a different tune, at least, it would have been very likely.

(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Reincarnation without a true god seems impossible

Hmm...I have seen no evidence of it occurring with or without a God. This true God part seems to still be in the air.

(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: how would a dead man bring himself back to life as another.

You don't seem to have any problem believing that Jesus was a God version of a man, and that he did something quite similar to this. Don't you see? You don't have a rational foundation for your thoughts. You really have no control over the types of things you're willing to hold as true.

Wow, GC is all cheery as of late. Has someone switched the incense @ the church for weed?

(August 12, 2013 at 1:38 am)Godschild Wrote: The Holy Spirit is my sight when it comes to scripture and other spiritual matters.

GC

What if the Holy Spirit is really a demon of satan, fooling you?