(August 27, 2013 at 1:23 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: No shit, I know what a foxhole is. So you expect them to take a picture in a foxhole with a sign saying they are atheists? Or what?

yes.

Quote:What will prove to you that someone in the armed forces has had to hide quickly in battle situation before AND not believed in god while doing it?

That they are a 'fox hole atheist.'

Quote:Look, I'm saying just because that picture shows them not in foxholes does not mean they have never been in foxholes - and the fact that they ARE in a warzone suggests they have.

War Zone:
: a zone in which belligerents are waging war; broadly : an area marked by extreme violence
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war%20zone
No one is 'fighting' in that picture. hence not a 'war zone.' They are simply 'in country.'

By the construction of that wall and of the 'paved' road they are standing next to, those d-bags are not even located in a forward operatioing base. Again they are "in the rear with the gear." concrete walls and roads are not building materials used in a 'war zone.' Because When they got hit the would frag and cause much more damage than the enemy round would by itself.

We do build 'established bases' like this over there, but they are not located in conbat zones. They are marshelling areas where 'gear' is received and subsequently shipped to forward operating bases or 'fire bases.' These 'established bases' are far behind fire bases. Hence, 'in the rear with the gear.'

Quote:I'm putting my money on it that they've had to duck in a hasty ditch at some point while fighting overseas. But go ahead and judge them as douchebags, you almighty dickhead.

Maybe, then again maybe not. either way they do not meet the criteria of a 'fox hole atheist.'

(August 27, 2013 at 1:44 pm)Drich Wrote: Seriously who among you does not plan to do a 'death bed confession' just to cover your bases when/if you are given the chance?

I intend to blaspheme the holy spirit one last time to cover my bases.

(August 27, 2013 at 1:41 pm)Drich Wrote: Would you do it? Why? or why not?

No, for reasons that have been mentioned numerous times on this forum. The same reasons you always ignore.

(August 27, 2013 at 1:23 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote:

(August 27, 2013 at 12:43 pm)Drich Wrote: They do not look like they're underfire to me. Or do you not know what a fox hole is? Those guys look like they work 'in the rear with the gear' where people can still afford to deny God. (Note the big High wall behind them and the gate.) Again a base is not a fox hole.

You're not insulting atheists, you're insulting soldiers. Soldiers will stick by the others and fight until the end if need be. It's a code. It's their duty. No member of the U.S. military (or any military for that matter) would skip town on their task because they're afraid to die because they don't believe in your god. Religious belief is irrelivant to their jobs. The picture proves that atheists can serve their country and face death for their country just as much as Christians can.

You're too cold and ignorant to understand that, I'm sure.

What does this flag waving have to do with ANYTHING I SAID???

lol, Your rant reminded me of Hulk hoagan starting a USA Chant in the middle of the iron sheek's patter. Yes Hoagan got the crowd on his side, but he did not answer what the Iron Sheek had to say.

George dubba did the same thing after 9-11. Yes it rallied the country, but it did not answer our own failures in intellegence and foreign policy that allowed 9-11 to happen in the first place.

If you want to flag wave that is fine, the conversation is yours. If you want to have a discussion then man up and address the content of my message.

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(August 27, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(August 27, 2013 at 1:44 pm)Drich Wrote: Or maybe the oppsite is true. Maybe it hurts you to think that all of that pride we spend while we are well that says their is no God, goes out the window when we face certain death.

Seriously who among you does not plan to do a 'death bed confession' just to cover your bases when/if you are given the chance?

I tried to kill myself, and my last conscious thoughts were "if there is a god, I'm going to meet him."

No base covering there.

Now, feel free to shift the goal-posts or denigrate any experience I've had without knowing anything about me. Whatever it takes to cling to your belief, I know you'll do it. Just know that it doesn't amount to anything to me.

How did you try?

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(August 27, 2013 at 1:54 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(August 27, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I tried to kill myself, and my last conscious thoughts were "if there is a god, I'm going to meet him."

My last conscious thought would be "I would never have to deal with god nonsense again".

I guess you'll see. Fore that day will be here before you know it.

(August 27, 2013 at 1:58 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 27, 2013 at 1:23 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: No shit, I know what a foxhole is. So you expect them to take a picture in a foxhole with a sign saying they are atheists? Or what?

yes.

Quote:What will prove to you that someone in the armed forces has had to hide quickly in battle situation before AND not believed in god while doing it?

That they are a 'fox hole atheist.'

Quote:Look, I'm saying just because that picture shows them not in foxholes does not mean they have never been in foxholes - and the fact that they ARE in a warzone suggests they have.

War Zone:
: a zone in which belligerents are waging war; broadly : an area marked by extreme violence
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war%20zone
No one is 'fighting' in that picture. hence not a 'war zone.' They are simply 'in country.'

By the construction of that wall and of the 'paved' road they are standing next to, those d-bags are not even located in a forward operatioing base. Again they are "in the rear with the gear." concrete walls and roads are not building materials used in a 'war zone.' Because When they got hit the would frag and cause much more damage than the enemy round would by itself.

We do build 'established bases' like this over there, but they are not located in conbat zones. They are marshelling areas where 'gear' is received and subsequently shipped to forward operating bases or 'fire bases.' These 'established bases' are far behind fire bases. Hence, 'in the rear with the gear.'

Quote:I'm putting my money on it that they've had to duck in a hasty ditch at some point while fighting overseas. But go ahead and judge them as douchebags, you almighty dickhead.

Maybe, then again maybe not. either way they do not meet the criteria of a 'fox hole atheist.'

Well golly gee, drichy - thank you for defining fox hole atheist as however the fuck you want it to be so that atheists can't exist there because you said so. And I was referring to the country they were in as a warzone, which maybe I should have clarified, either way, you realize that the lines between combat and non-combat zones are blurred, right? I mean, I have a cousin who guarded shipments at a base and he came back always looking over his shoulder and around like someone was gonna kill him.

Drich Wrote:How did you try?

Carbon Monoxide.

What difference does that make?

(August 27, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Drich Wrote: So if the cost of eternal life is 40 years of this one, would you not gladly pay it as well?

Given that you have to accept promises made by men on behalf of a God no one can prove is real, then no. You'd have to be literally retarded to agree to a deal like that.

(August 27, 2013 at 2:03 pm)Drich Wrote: I guess you'll see. Fore that day will be here before you know it.

Oh, I wish you would die soon too.

(August 27, 2013 at 2:03 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 27, 2013 at 1:23 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: You're not insulting atheists, you're insulting soldiers. Soldiers will stick by the others and fight until the end if need be. It's a code. It's their duty. No member of the U.S. military (or any military for that matter) would skip town on their task because they're afraid to die because they don't believe in your god. Religious belief is irrelivant to their jobs. The picture proves that atheists can serve their country and face death for their country just as much as Christians can.

You're too cold and ignorant to understand that, I'm sure.

What does this flag waving have to do with ANYTHING I SAID???

lol, Your rant reminded me of Hulk hoagan starting a USA Chant in the middle of the iron sheek's patter. Yes Hoagan got the crowd on his side, but he did not answer what the Iron Sheek had to say.

George dubba did the same thing after 9-11. Yes it rallied the country, but it did not answer our own failures in intellegence and foreign policy that allowed 9-11 to happen in the first place.

If you want to flag wave that is fine, the conversation is yours. If you want to have a discussion then man up and address the content of my message.

I did address the content of your message. You're dodging what I said by painting it as nothing. Atheist, Christian, Muslim, whatever. A soldier has his duty. When you enlist in the military, you may see combat, you may not see combat. Regardless of whether or not you do, you know there's a possiblity of injury or death when you enlist. To say that atheist soldiers are not willing to be under fire in a foxhole is not only an unproven statement, but completely contradictory and out-of-character of a soldier. I said what I said because you must understand the psyche of a soldier in order to criticize an entire group of them. You clearly don't understand it.

As I said before, religious belief is irrelivant to a member of the military. Especially under fire in a foxhole. Respond like you have half a brain or go pray for suffering somewhere else.

(August 27, 2013 at 2:15 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

Drich Wrote:How did you try?

Carbon Monoxide.

What difference does that make?

to descern how to proceed.

To determine if it was a cry for help attempt or did you take a shot gun and blow off half your face, and for some reason you were spared.

Where you trying to quench a void in your heart, or were you seriously trying to meet your maker?

One of my workers just had a son climb up in a tree and properly hang himself on the 17 of this month. this was not his first attempt, he tried 'filling a void' a few times before, but appearently the reaction he got was not great enough, so this time he tied a proper knot and the 30 fall snapped his neck.

i too lost a friend and a close family member to sucide, one did the shot gun thing (but did not survive) and the other when on a hunger and medcine strike for two weeks. Both did not want to live no matter the cost.

I say all of that to say, there is a difference between actually wanting death, and wanting some form of love to the point of dying. If you want to be full filled/loved and you are willing to risk your life to obtain it, then why not give what you have to God, and offer yourself completely? After all you risked death because you could not live how or who you wanted to live. So why not put this determination you have into something that will pay back actual dividens for the rest of eternity?

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(August 27, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

(August 27, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Drich Wrote: So if the cost of eternal life is 40 years of this one, would you not gladly pay it as well?

Given that you have to accept promises made by men on behalf of a God no one can prove is real, then no. You'd have to be literally retarded to agree to a deal like that.

The 'proof' my confused brother, is in the deliverance of one from death. (not physical, but Spiritual.) This process may cost you your life, but in that process you will have your 'proof.'