(September 6, 2013 at 3:41 pm)ronedee Wrote: “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” [/i][/align]

Fearing god is akin to fearing the boogeyman. Irrational, because neither exists.

(September 6, 2013 at 3:41 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(September 6, 2013 at 3:14 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Let's not forget that god supposedly spared Lot, because Lot was the one righteous man in the city. Oh, yeah he spared his wife (temporarily) and his daughters - those same daughters that the righteous Lot offered up to an unruly mob to be gang raped - the same daughters that the righteous Lot impregnated in a drunken stupor.

Apparently god values drunken assholes.

We're ALL drunken assholes in God's sight! Some worse than others.

Romans 3
"As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good, not even one.”
“Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
ruin and misery mark their ways,
and the way of peace they do not know.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Cool story, bro.

(September 6, 2013 at 3:18 pm)John V Wrote: The adults deserve it, for the children it's nothing compered to eternal happiness.

I'm sure that's great consolation after seeing your family brutally raped and slaughtered in front of you before some soldier bashes your skull against a rock.

I know that religion can't make a psychopath but it evidently attracts them in bunches.

(September 6, 2013 at 8:51 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: I can't hear you, GC, over the sound of your tap shoes.

That's the marbles rolling around in you head.

GC

(September 6, 2013 at 6:30 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(September 6, 2013 at 8:51 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: I can't hear you, GC, over the sound of your tap shoes.

That's the marbles rolling around in you head.

GC

Compared to the vacuum in yours, I'll take this as a compliment.

(September 6, 2013 at 4:50 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I'm sure that's great consolation after seeing your family brutally raped and slaughtered in front of you before some soldier bashes your skull against a rock.

I know that religion can't make a psychopath but it evidently attracts them in bunches.

Where do you get rape from?

(September 6, 2013 at 3:18 pm)John V Wrote: Or you could refrain from bringing in slavery to unrelated topics.

You didn't have to join in.

Quote:What about slavers? What do they deserve?

Prison time. Unlike you, I'm not about to indulge in this petty eye for an eye crap.

Quote:The adults deserve it, for the children it's nothing compered to eternal happiness.

Then why put them on earth at all?

Quote:Nice try at shifting the burden of proof. Is there any underhanded debate technique that you don't use?

How is it a shifting of the burden of proof? I already explained why I thought slavery is an immoral proposition; it's a violation of a number of basic freedoms (freedom of movement and of employment leap immediately to mind, though there's several others) and you just sort of ignored that. It's cool and all, you get your uncomfortable silence, but let's not act like I haven't given my position here.

Quote:Not at all. People hate being judged. The difference between me and you is that I've looked at myself and found myself guilty. You justify yourself, primarily by lowering standards to a point you can live with.

Oh look, holier than thou attitude rather than anything real. Neat.

Quote:Now, can you explain why slavery is wrong? I'm not saying it isn't, just wondering what your rationale is.

Because it provides direct harm to the individual. We as a society need to prize certain individual freedoms related to our ability to choose how to live our lives, because without them... we wouldn't have freedom of choice within our lifestyle. Personal happiness is important, and there's no way to equitably allow that in cases of slavery, because slavery by definition isn't an equal relationship.

This doesn't need to be handed down from god, or ordained by priests, it's simply about harm to the individual. Deprivation of liberty is harmful. That's why kidnap victims don't like their kidnappers.

JohnV Wrote:The adults deserve it, for the children it's nothing compered to eternal happiness.

(September 6, 2013 at 8:25 am)Godschild Wrote:

(September 6, 2013 at 7:27 am)Brakeman Wrote: Unless of course his intention was to rape her and force her to submit to his whims for her entire life.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV)

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

You need to study ancient history very thoroughly before condemning what happened to people. You're trying to compare oranges to apples and it just doesn't work.

GC

You are absolutely SHAMEFUL, all of you. ALL OF YOU.

I'm ashamed for you.

I'm ashamed of you.
I'm ashamed that I even have had to endure this line of thinking that your CULT has been spewing at me since before I could say my Rrr's.

You are utterly and completely without morals. I can't even stand the sight of you anymore, you make me sick.



Job well done

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(September 7, 2013 at 3:19 am)missluckie26 Wrote:

JohnV Wrote:The adults deserve it, for the children it's nothing compered to eternal happiness.

(September 6, 2013 at 8:25 am)Godschild Wrote: You need to study ancient history very thoroughly before condemning what happened to people. You're trying to compare oranges to apples and it just doesn't work.

GC

You are absolutely SHAMEFUL, all of you. ALL OF YOU.

I'm ashamed for you.

I'm ashamed of you.
I'm ashamed that I even have had to endure this line of thinking that your CULT has been spewing at me since before I could say my Rrr's.

You are utterly and completely without morals. I can't even stand the sight of you anymore, you make me sick.



Job well done

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All just a side affect of assigning good to God. Once you do that then any law or action from him is good by definition and you never have to question it again.

Worst case scenario for the religious is to have to come up with explanations are to why something appears to be so obviously vile and yet is part of the good God. The default is usually - it will all be made right in heaven.

The astonishing part is that followers of one religion can see this in another but not in their own. I am yet to find a Christian that will defend 9/11, for example yet within weeks you find Christian arguments saying something to the effect of "Christian Martyrs died for their beliefs - therefore there must be something to it."

(September 7, 2013 at 3:59 am)max-greece Wrote:

(September 7, 2013 at 3:19 am)missluckie26 Wrote:
You are absolutely SHAMEFUL, all of you. ALL OF YOU.

I'm ashamed for you.

I'm ashamed of you.
I'm ashamed that I even have had to endure this line of thinking that your CULT has been spewing at me since before I could say my Rrr's.

You are utterly and completely without morals. I can't even stand the sight of you anymore, you make me sick.



Job well done

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All just a side affect of assigning good to God. Once you do that then any law or action from him is good by definition and you never have to question it again.

Worst case scenario for the religious is to have to come up with explanations are to why something appears to be so obviously vile and yet is part of the good God. The default is usually - it will all be made right in heaven.

The astonishing part is that followers of one religion can see this in another but not in their own. I am yet to find a Christian that will defend 9/11, for example yet within weeks you find Christian arguments saying something to the effect of "Christian Martyrs died for their beliefs - therefore there must be something to it."

Those Christian martyrs were not committing mass murder on the innocent. I'm yet to find an atheist who defends 9/11, that is unless you're the first.

GC