(September 23, 2013 at 9:32 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: If you were paying attention I made a complete case in one single post earlier in this thread with bible verses alone. Which you've summarily ignored, then re-ignored when I put all my posts together for your convenience.

Are you kidding?
You posted the same drivel from CARM again is all you did. You and the guys from CARM never refuted my rebuttal of their opening line.

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(September 23, 2013 at 9:59 pm)Airyaman Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 9:52 pm)catfish Wrote: You claimed to know the context, did you not?

No. I simply listed one verse with the qualifier "those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh", which accurately describes mosts atheists.

Sigh...

Quote:Nothing in the context would exclude us nonbelievers because the statement "those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh" won't allow for it.

Honest mistake, stupidity or lie?

I hear you talkin, but all I can hear in my head is you doing this:

Gonna say it again: clean kill.

(September 24, 2013 at 1:05 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Gonna say it again: clean kill.

Delusional...

With your thought processes, lightbulb can equal potato.

that made me laugh!

Then I remembered..


SCIENCE. boom.

Catfish, apparently you want me to rub salt in the wound, given how you're presenting it and just begging, and I'm cool with that. Shall we look around real quick, see the larger context for what the bible recommends your ilk should do with unbelievers?

First of all, just a few verses down from my initial quote, in John 9, it talks about those who "abideth not in the doctrine of Christ." That's a rather interesting leap for a passage that's about christians, according to you. The thing about your claim is that you refuse to support it, though, with anything other than flat assertions, when nothing in context- and I already explained that I'd read the entire passage before I posted- would lead me to believe that unbelievers would be excluded, here. How about you post something of actual content explaining why you think otherwise, as opposed to just going "nuh uh!" again, like a child?

In any case, we have other verses describing what you guys should do to nonbelievers, and it's no more pretty or contradictory to the point I was making:

They should be shunned, for one: "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord." -- 2 Cor.6:14-17

Presumably before you murder them in cold blood: "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10

So... I mean, hey. These aren't the actions of a people who think we aren't antichrists. But I'm sure you'll rush to tell us how these passages actually apply to fishmongers, or people who ride horses sidesaddle, or something.

And I'm sure that, when you do, you'll have exactly the same level of evidence for it as you did for your initial claim. Embarrass yourself away, fishy!

(September 24, 2013 at 1:21 am)catfish Wrote:

(September 24, 2013 at 1:05 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Gonna say it again: clean kill.

Delusional...

With your thought processes, lightbulb can equal potato.

Missluckie beat me to the punch, but I would like to add that my thought process can take this experiment a step further by telling you that I can illuminate a lightbulb using the power of a potato. Indeed. Science.

(September 24, 2013 at 1:48 am)Esquilax Wrote: Catfish, apparently you want me to rub salt in the wound, given how you're presenting it and just begging, and I'm cool with that. Shall we look around real quick, see the larger context for what the bible recommends your ilk should do with unbelievers?

LOL, I keep telling you that simply stating something doesn't make it true.You have failed to make a case for believing that "deceiver" means unbelievers. Here's your chapter from the NIV since you seem to have trouble with old English.

2 John 1 (NIV)
1 The elder,
To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth— 2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:

3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

12 I have much to write to you, but I do not want to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete.
13 The children of your sister, who is chosen by God, send their greetings.

For the logic impaired, it is a letter to a church leadership about false teachers.

going on PG 3 of prophecy fulfillment. catfish I think its safe to say you have no point in this thread but to drag it out till someone beats it with a dead cat.

(September 24, 2013 at 2:58 am)catfish Wrote: LOL, I keep telling you that simply stating something doesn't make it true.You have failed to make a case for believing that "deceiver" means unbelievers.

Considering that this was never my claim, and that for going on three pages now I've explained what my claim actually is, I see no reason why I should make this case.

Very good of you to demonstrate that you haven't been reading my posts before you disagree with them, though.