Quote:Science (masquerading as atheism) seems committed to accepting any hypothesis BUT theism.

That's because there is no evidence whatsoever for theism, Shithead.

(September 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:

(September 25, 2013 at 6:35 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: The difference is that science seeks the answers rather than resorting to the unreasonable and intellectually lazy goddidit.

Science (masquerading as atheism) seems committed to accepting any hypothesis BUT theism.

Could that be because theistic claims aren't testable, in practice or principle?

Nah, that can't be why.

(September 25, 2013 at 6:08 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Science is discovering newer, bigger gaps all the time.

Yeah, those damn scientists and their insatiable thirst for knowledge and refusal to rest on their laurels. Life would be so much better if everyone was just content with being a simpleton and drooling out "goddidit" as the answer for everything without bothering to figure out how anything works.

If you don't like the answers science gives you, feel free to stop reaping its benefits. We could weed out the gene pool very quickly if the devout would simply try live off prayer and faith.

(September 25, 2013 at 12:58 pm)John V Wrote:

(September 25, 2013 at 12:45 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: But it's NOT a comic book!

There are no pictures.

Of course it's not a comic book. If it were, you might actually have read it.

Sure it is. Replace the word "God" and "Lord" with "Batman" and see if the fantastic claims still make sense to you, like women being popped out of a man's rib, talking donkeys talking snakes. The sun and moon being separate sources of light.

Malichi 2:3, Isiah 45:7, . Or Lot fucking his daughters and pawning them off to rapists to save his own skin. She bears mauling children for picking on an old guy. Or Infanticide of babies.

Oh and how Noah magically made a boat that carried millions of species. Funny how children's bibles never depict the dangerous ones like cobras or black widows. Magically he kept prey and predator apart, didn't get eaten himself by lions or stomped by rhinos or hippos. Or how about this gem.

http://sciencefocus.com/feature/health/1...-parasites. One of them has a life cycle that leads it to burrow into a human penis.

You can make that comic book work because it suits your own personal desires. But in order to do that you have to ignore all the scientific absurd claims and morally repugnant behavior of the god character and all the contradictions in the bible.

(September 25, 2013 at 7:47 pm)Faith No More Wrote: If you don't like the answers science gives you, feel free to stop reaping its benefits. We could weed out the gene pool very quickly if the devout would simply try live off prayer and faith.

If only ...

(September 25, 2013 at 7:47 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(September 25, 2013 at 6:08 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Science is discovering newer, bigger gaps all the time.

Yeah, those damn scientists and their insatiable thirst for knowledge and refusal to rest on their laurels. Life would be so much better if everyone was just content with being a simpleton and drooling out "goddidit" as the answer for everything without bothering to figure out how anything works.

If you don't like the answers science gives you, feel free to stop reaping its benefits. We could weed out the gene pool very quickly if the devout would simply try live off prayer and faith.

I am very happy with the post-modern ambiguity of the jargon we get from folk like Lawrence Krauss.
You want gaps?

*Multiverse of the gaps. (This from the Occams Razor folk who tell intelligent design theists not to conjure up stuff)

*Quantum mechanics of the gaps. (But we wanted certainty Mr Heisenberg and you gave us chaos theory)

*Past-eternal universe of the gaps. (Groundhog Day? Really? THAT'S your "brute fact" answer to theistic creation?)

*Somewhere over the rainbow...one day we will know the answer. (THAT is gaps reasoning writ large!!! Can't you see how hypocritical it is for the kettle to call the pot black? Biblical theology says EXACTLY that about many things.)

Next time you wanna plead that whole..."one day we will discover the answer" cop-out, just substitute the words...God works in mysterious ways.

The bible says God did it. That statement is not altered or peer reviewed or subject to popular opinion. Science has the luxury of getting stuff wrong and changing the "facts" as it goes. (The "beauty of science" - we get to stuff up and rewrite a new tentative hypothesis and still pretend it is somehow a hallmark of high IQ)

(September 25, 2013 at 11:47 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Next time you wanna plead that whole..."one day we will discover the answer" cop-out

Remember, you do not have to partake in the benefits science or technology has provided from the past statement of "one day we will discover the answer".

If you really want to be a true Christian, go live in a cave without any benefits that science has provided.

(September 25, 2013 at 11:47 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: *Multiverse of the gaps. (This from the Occams Razor folk who tell intelligent design theists not to conjure up stuff)

Nobody accepts the multiverse hypothesis as a fact.

Quote:*Quantum mechanics of the gaps. (But we wanted certainty Mr Heisenberg and you gave us chaos theory)

Unlike anything in your bible, observed in reality and useful in real-world applications.

Quote:*Past-eternal universe of the gaps. (Groundhog Day? Really? THAT'S your "brute fact" answer to theistic creation?)

Again, a mere hypothesis, not accepted as fact.

Quote:*Somewhere over the rainbow...one day we will know the answer. (THAT is gaps reasoning writ large!!! Can't you see how hypocritical it is for the kettle to call the pot black? Biblical theology says EXACTLY that about many things.)

That's what the Bible says. What science says is "Someday, we will figure out the answer" because science is proactive and useful. Waiting for a revelation from imaginary monsters is passive stupidity.

Quote:Next time you wanna plead that whole..."one day we will discover the answer" cop-out, just substitute the words...God works in mysterious ways.

Those two statements don't even mean the same thing, you ignoramus.

Quote:The bible says God did it. That statement is not altered or peer reviewed or subject to popular opinion.

We know. That's why it is utterly useless.

Quote:Science has the luxury of getting stuff wrong and changing the "facts" as it goes. (The "beauty of science" - we get to stuff up and rewrite a new tentative hypothesis and still pretend it is somehow a hallmark of high IQ)

Science has to conform to reality as we discover more about it, as opposed to religion, which has sat in the corner with its fingers in its ears chanting NOPE NOPE NOPE ever since we've learned enough about how the universe works to know that your religion is horseshit.

Religion has the luxury of appealing to stupid people, like yourself, allowing it to survive in spite of the consistency with which the real world renders it invalid.

(September 25, 2013 at 11:50 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(September 25, 2013 at 11:47 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Next time you wanna plead that whole..."one day we will discover the answer" cop-out

Remember, you do not have to partake in the benefits science or technology has provided from the past statement of "one day we will discover the answer".

If you really want to be a true Christian, go live in a cave without any benefits that science has provided.

All the really useful science and technology was invented/discovered by theists.
The wheel.
The inclined plane.
Writing.
Making fire.

What have we got since the 20th century?
Hiroshima? Chernobyl? Asbestos?. Thalidomide? Cane Toads? Global Warming? An Internet chock full of gambling, music piracy, child pornography, lol cat memes? Wikipedia?
Atheists rule the Internet? Yeah. They probably do.

If all of humanity thought the way Lion purports to, we'd still be sitting in the forest praying for another lightning strike to make fire for us.