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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm
(September 25, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: There certainly are atheists who accept Jesus-as-preacher, without all the supernatural baggage. You may as well debate the historicity of Tony Stark without Iron Man.
I prefer Superman without the powers. Or the Visible Man.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 25, 2013 at 4:57 pm
(September 25, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Find me an atheist who believes in Jesus-as-deity-incarnate. I won't hold my breath.
There certainly are atheists who accept Jesus-as-preacher, without all the supernatural baggage. You may as well debate the historicity of Tony Stark without Iron Man. Then it's incorrect to interpret the passage as referring to atheists, and catfish's point stands. You can't have it both ways.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 25, 2013 at 6:44 pm
(September 25, 2013 at 4:57 pm)John V Wrote: (September 25, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Find me an atheist who believes in Jesus-as-deity-incarnate. I won't hold my breath.
There certainly are atheists who accept Jesus-as-preacher, without all the supernatural baggage. You may as well debate the historicity of Tony Stark without Iron Man. Then it's incorrect to interpret the passage as referring to atheists, and catfish's point stands. You can't have it both ways.
I don't recall taking a position on that matter.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 25, 2013 at 9:10 pm
(September 25, 2013 at 4:57 pm)John V Wrote: (September 25, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Find me an atheist who believes in Jesus-as-deity-incarnate. I won't hold my breath.
There certainly are atheists who accept Jesus-as-preacher, without all the supernatural baggage. You may as well debate the historicity of Tony Stark without Iron Man. Then it's incorrect to interpret the passage as referring to atheists, and catfish's point stands. You can't have it both ways.
Are you a Christian who does not understand what "Christ" means? (Hint: it wasn't his last name).
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 25, 2013 at 10:30 pm
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2013 at 10:33 pm by Mystical.)
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 26, 2013 at 12:02 am
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 26, 2013 at 8:28 am
(September 25, 2013 at 6:44 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I don't recall taking a position on that matter. It was a general or collective "you." To clarify, those saying that the John passage refers to unbelievers can't have it both ways.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 26, 2013 at 10:00 am
I'll take a look at it later catfish. He's not my boyfriend, he's the love of my life. big diff 
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 26, 2013 at 6:50 pm
(September 25, 2013 at 3:13 pm)Airyaman Wrote: My answer has absolutely no bearing on the passage itself and also does not effect the actual meaning of the passage. In any case, I looked at the context, and there is absolutely nothing that disqualifies the verse from saying what it says, that deceivers, according to the author, are those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. That would cover about any atheist I know.
You're right, that answer has no direct bearing on what is actually written there. However, your answer will affect how I view your intelligence from here on out.
Now, if you can't demonstrate that you understand the context of your own words, why should I have confidence in your ability to understand the context of others'?
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
September 26, 2013 at 6:57 pm
(September 26, 2013 at 6:50 pm)catfish Wrote: (September 25, 2013 at 3:13 pm)Airyaman Wrote: My answer has absolutely no bearing on the passage itself and also does not effect the actual meaning of the passage. In any case, I looked at the context, and there is absolutely nothing that disqualifies the verse from saying what it says, that deceivers, according to the author, are those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. That would cover about any atheist I know.
You're right, that answer has no direct bearing on what is actually written there. However, your answer will affect how I view your intelligence from here on out.
Now, if you can't demonstrate that you understand the context of your own words, why should I have confidence in your ability to understand the context of others'?
In the end, I really don't give a damn about what you think. I can see from just a few exchanges that your posts will likely be passed on by with my mouse wheel in the future because I already waste enough time as it is.
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