I had some time, so I came back to pay a visit to my friends over on this forum. Sup.

And I've been thinking about rationality lately. Let me just lay it on you like butter on toast.

Almost all atheism is irrational. Why?

Quote: A lot of us point to the supposed intelligence of atheists, but what I've come to realize is that most of us have become atheists at quite a young age. Too young, honestly, to have a full grasp of our logical faculties or the world around us. Age 13 or 14 is simply not when your mind is fully developed. This includes the vast majority of atheist intellectuals who become atheists at a young age and just engage in confirmation bias throughout their academic careers.

I will say this in response to that, I became an agnostic at age 24, being a well-educated (not academic but self-educated lots and lots of encyclopedias and science books). I was an apologists who could hang with the best of them. I renounced my faith sub-consciously year before my “de-conversion” I never realized it. When I made the conscious leap to say I do not believe. It was thought out, I considered all the evidence I could, including the ones I defended, I researched the archeological, psychological, biological, anthropological, and philosophical fields to make sure my choice was deserved. My decision is well informed and I am comfortable now than I ever been.

Quote: Atheists whine. A lot. If you spend time on internet forums, you notice 98% of their time is spent hating Christians and whining about Christianity. For a "rational", "skeptical" group of people, such lack of rationality is alarmingly hypocritical.

I do not care, I am a preacher’s kid. I respect my father’s faith and we still talking about it. I and a skeptic not a cynic, one thing I learned on the atheist forums is the difference between the two.

Quote: About matters of the intellect, atheists are very superficially educated. They have a basic foundation down "EVOLUTION RULZ, GOD SUX HAHA I HAVE BIBEL VURSES THAT SUX LOL" but fundamental nuances are often glossed over or missed because their interest is not in knowing things, but in confirming what they want to be true.

It is called cognitive dissonance and we all do it. We all hold a belief in some way shape or form and will defend it and warp reality to fit it. With that said while some atheists might do this not all. You already stated you over generalized so get my point.

Quote: "Ah but Vinny Gabagool, atheists know more about the Bible, look at the stats!" You will say, no doubt pointing to some stats. "Nonsense!" I will reply. While most religions are entirely focused on knowing about their own religion, atheists, for the most part are anti-theists. So everything they need to know is anti-religious dogma. Biblical contradictions, the euthyphro dilemma, wise-ass sayings that are actually nonsensical- these are de facto atheist teachings. So of course, they would "know more" their entire existence depends on their hatred against people who believe in a God!

I grew up in the church, and I have my dad religious library. I also study little bit into the greek versions of the texts. So I know well myself the verses, and I do not see questioning a religion as hatred imo. While some do, I find that most just asked the tough questions.

Quote: When I started off as a skeptic, I started with a sense of intimidation. I was scared of all the intellectuals. Now that I'm a little older, a little smarter, a little more educated....I feel sorry for them.

Good that you are not scared….but I loved being surrounded by people smarter than me….It allowed me to grow.

(September 25, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Stimbo Wrote: When God swallows, get back to me.

God doesn't swallow, his fans do.

Anyone want to take bets on the chance that Vinny will come back?

Or do you think he's going to understand that he burnt this bridge to the ground?

(September 26, 2013 at 10:15 am)Brian37 Wrote: God doesn't swallow, his fans do.

Yeah, lots and lots of Kool-Aid. Some did literally.

(September 26, 2013 at 10:23 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(September 26, 2013 at 10:15 am)Brian37 Wrote: God doesn't swallow, his fans do.

Yeah, lots and lots of Kool-Aid. Some did literally.

Meh, the only difference between big religion and a cult are numbers. But both rely on ignorance and credulity and gullibility to get others to follow.

Jim Jones is a drop in the bucket in human history compared to all the death caused by, as Hitchens put it "The parties of God".

(September 26, 2013 at 10:22 am)Faith No More Wrote: Anyone want to take bets on the chance that Vinny will come back?

Or do you think he's going to understand that he burnt this bridge to the ground?

It's possible this is simply a reflection of a new approach on his part. The repercussions from a trollish post or behavior reverberate long after the initial behavior. If one wants to maximize one's efficiency at it, it's useful to realize that one only needs to initiate the reaction and not necessarily stick around to see the results. Intermittent trolls, repeated at intervals, without any actual attention to the result is probably a more efficient approach than loitering in the area, as the maximum effect is realized in creating the disturbance, and later contributions have a much lesser impact per event than those pregnant first few.

(Or perhaps I've simply been doing this too long. "Shields up! Go to red alert!")

OK - so I was chatting to God last night in a dream (looked pretty good for a guy his age) and it turns out he's an atheist too.

He then disappeared in a puff of logic.

(September 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I had some time, so I came back to pay a visit to my friends over on this forum. Sup.

And I've been thinking about rationality lately. Let me just lay it on you like butter on toast.

Almost all atheism is irrational. Why?

A lot of us point to the supposed intelligence of atheists, but what I've come to realize is that most of us have become atheists at quite a young age. Too young, honestly, to have a full grasp of our logical faculties or the world around us. Age 13 or 14 is simply not when your mind is fully developed. This includes the vast majority of atheist intellectuals who become atheists at a young age and just engage in confirmation bias throughout their academic careers.

Atheists whine. A lot. If you spend time on internet forums, you notice 98% of their time is spent hating Christians and whining about Christianity. For a "rational", "skeptical" group of people, such lack of rationality is alarmingly hypocritical.

About matters of the intellect, atheists are very superficially educated. They have a basic foundation down "EVOLUTION RULZ, GOD SUX HAHA I HAVE BIBEL VURSES THAT SUX LOL" but fundamental nuances are often glossed over or missed because their interest is not in knowing things, but in confirming what they want to be true.

"Ah but Vinny Gabagool, atheists know more about the Bible, look at the stats!" You will say, no doubt pointing to some stats. "Nonsense!" I will reply. While most religions are entirely focused on knowing about their own religion, atheists, for the most part are anti-theists. So everything they need to know is anti-religious dogma. Biblical contradictions, the euthyphro dilemma, wise-ass sayings that are actually nonsensical- these are de facto atheist teachings. So of course, they would "know more" their entire existence depends on their hatred against people who believe in a God!

When I started off as a skeptic, I started with a sense of intimidation. I was scared of all the intellectuals. Now that I'm a little older, a little smarter, a little more educated....I feel sorry for them.

If you want to speak about irrationality I think you have missed the point. You have failed to explain why it is irrational. Also, I don't hate people who believe in God. I just don't agree with them on this philosophical matter. Why would I bother to hate them? They think that's how the universe was created. I don't have another explanation. I don't remember how the universe was created. I've heard several theories, but that's all I can say for them, is that they are theories. If you want to speak about irrationality why don't we start with speaking to a character in a book as if it actually exists. I find that irrational. They would disagree with me, and say that is a rational thing to do, because they think the character exists. So we are now in a quandary, an argument that has no reason involved, because there is no reason in making up ways the universe came to be and then trying to convince others that's the way it is.

I'm sorry, I don't know how the universe came to be, and I don't know anyone who does.

Also, why is your god better than anyone else's? When the Spanish came to the Americas the Indians somehow let go of their Mayan, Aztec, etc. Gods. Was that right? What if they were completely right?

God is just a game you humans play when you are powerful and bored, fat with nothing better to do.

(September 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I had some time, so I came back to pay a visit to my friends over on this forum. Sup.

And I've been thinking about rationality lately. Let me just lay it on you like butter on toast.

Almost all atheism is irrational. Why?

A lot of us point to the supposed intelligence of atheists, but what I've come to realize is that most of us have become atheists at quite a young age. Too young, honestly, to have a full grasp of our logical faculties or the world around us. Age 13 or 14 is simply not when your mind is fully developed. This includes the vast majority of atheist intellectuals who become atheists at a young age and just engage in confirmation bias throughout their academic careers.

Atheists whine. A lot. If you spend time on internet forums, you notice 98% of their time is spent hating Christians and whining about Christianity. For a "rational", "skeptical" group of people, such lack of rationality is alarmingly hypocritical.

About matters of the intellect, atheists are very superficially educated. They have a basic foundation down "EVOLUTION RULZ, GOD SUX HAHA I HAVE BIBEL VURSES THAT SUX LOL" but fundamental nuances are often glossed over or missed because their interest is not in knowing things, but in confirming what they want to be true.

"Ah but Vinny Gabagool, atheists know more about the Bible, look at the stats!" You will say, no doubt pointing to some stats. "Nonsense!" I will reply. While most religions are entirely focused on knowing about their own religion, atheists, for the most part are anti-theists. So everything they need to know is anti-religious dogma. Biblical contradictions, the euthyphro dilemma, wise-ass sayings that are actually nonsensical- these are de facto atheist teachings. So of course, they would "know more" their entire existence depends on their hatred against people who believe in a God!

When I started off as a skeptic, I started with a sense of intimidation. I was scared of all the intellectuals. Now that I'm a little older, a little smarter, a little more educated....I feel sorry for them.

Dude speak for youraelf I was 21 and never was intimidated by intellectuals.

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(September 26, 2013 at 10:23 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(September 26, 2013 at 10:15 am)Brian37 Wrote: God doesn't swallow, his fans do.

Yeah, lots and lots of Kool-Aid. Some did literally.

Well jesus is comming after all.