(January 18, 2010 at 9:45 pm)Pippy Wrote: ummm. What is with the 'absolutely no experience' thing.
I have had sex. I have probably had a lot more sex than you Void, I don't know where you got that I have no experience with sex. I chose to not have sex after having sex like a normal modern person. So I don't know why you keep beating that horse.

My bad, It's from when dotard said you were a Virgin and since you never called him bullshit i assumed he was correct

Quote:I don't want to get into the sacred/profane thing, it should be more than a little obvious and not need explanation. If you cannot see that sex used to be sacred, or that it is now profane, than I feel a little bad for you'se.

Sex used to be not sacred, but extremely taboo. Blame religion for that one.

The early Egyptian cultures have many tales of orgies that predate the modern religious obsession with controlling sexual behaviour.

Also, we evolved sex from species who had no concept of the sacred - This idea of sex being sacrosanct (or more accurately all the taboos placed on it) is a meme that forced it's way into culture a few thousand years go.

Quote:And I don't drive a car, I pretend to take some moral high road and walk everywhere.

Sweet

Quote:Don't feel bad for me, you are allowed to go fuck like drunk rabbits. Please, feel free. But I have moreimportant things to do with my time. Same as how you guys are always on the TV or video games. You can spend your time being entertained, having fun, but some of us have more of a sense of duty. I only have so much time on this planet, and I have a lot to do.

What is this super important stuff you are spending your time on? What have you achieved that is so special?

Also i would hardly think that having the occasional little fling is really going to get in the way of achieving your goals. There are 24 hours a day 7 days a week, the portion of the time that i spend having sex currently is <2 hours a week. So it's not obstructing me from anything.

It's quite an unsubstantiated claim that i spend all my time playing games or watching TV. I watch fuck all TV, play games perhaps 5 hours a week and in fact spend most of my spare time on average with friends.

(January 18, 2010 at 8:30 am)leo-rcc Wrote:

(January 18, 2010 at 8:04 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Definitely Holey beavers,

Get it!!

Holey!!!!

Beavers!!!!!

Damn I crack me up........

That came within 2 inches of funny.

You're being very generous 'leo-rcc'

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(January 18, 2010 at 7:58 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(January 18, 2010 at 1:45 am)Pippy Wrote: If you think sex is there for us to have 'fun' with, you are incorrectly reading the reality around yourself.Treating sex as just a 'fun' thing to do leads to problems. Self worth problems, random baby problems, and of course social disease problems.

Is it that simple?

Can I ask you two questions?

If so,

1. Where, whatsoever, is the evidence for the objective value that is so-called 'sacred'?

2. Where, whatsoever, is the evidence for the objective value that is so-called 'profane'?

If you answer my questions, then thank you in advance for your time.

EvF

I too would llike to know the answers to the above questions pip.

Your subjective definitions of 'sacred' and 'profane' would be very helpful about now.
(*disclaimer -"subjective" :- everyone has a different opinion, ergo YOUR definition is the one that counts in this

(January 19, 2010 at 1:32 am)theVOID Wrote: Also i would hardly think that having the occasional little fling is really going to get in the way of achieving your goals. There are 24 hours a day 7 days a week, the portion of the time that i spend having sex currently is <2 hours a week. So it's not obstructing me from anything.

It's quite an unsubstantiated claim that i spend all my time playing games or watching TV. I watch fuck all TV, play games perhaps 5 hours a week and in fact spend most of my spare time on average with friends.

You're a saint! Priests have more sex. What is so special about yourself that you're restraining yourself from consumer sex and other goodies?

(January 19, 2010 at 2:34 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

(January 19, 2010 at 1:32 am)theVOID Wrote: Also i would hardly think that having the occasional little fling is really going to get in the way of achieving your goals. There are 24 hours a day 7 days a week, the portion of the time that i spend having sex currently is <2 hours a week. So it's not obstructing me from anything.

It's quite an unsubstantiated claim that i spend all my time playing games or watching TV. I watch fuck all TV, play games perhaps 5 hours a week and in fact spend most of my spare time on average with friends.

You're a saint! Priests have more sex. What is so special about yourself that you're restraining yourself from consumer sex and other goodies?

Or just a very naughty boy!!

(January 19, 2010 at 2:34 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

(January 19, 2010 at 1:32 am)theVOID Wrote: Also i would hardly think that having the occasional little fling is really going to get in the way of achieving your goals. There are 24 hours a day 7 days a week, the portion of the time that i spend having sex currently is <2 hours a week. So it's not obstructing me from anything.

It's quite an unsubstantiated claim that i spend all my time playing games or watching TV. I watch fuck all TV, play games perhaps 5 hours a week and in fact spend most of my spare time on average with friends.

You're a saint! Priests have more sex. What is so special about yourself that you're restraining yourself from consumer sex and other goodies?

Quite simple:

Lack of money to go out and meet women

I probably need a friends with benefits deal again, lest i resort to frequent masturbating

I don't mean to come off as self-righteous. I live my life, you live yours. I just had to add that the "I would fuck sarah palin" idea is gross and stupid to me. I have no aversion to sex, but I do to objectification and self-demeaning actions. It is hard to have one without the other these days...

The sacredness of sex has to do with both it's importance and it's personal value. It is important to have sex, I can assure that our parents did so. Making new people is important, and very vlauable. Also the act itself is very personal and should be treated as special. You are literally sharing yourself, your phsical self, with another person. Very profound.

The objective value of profane in modern sex is also apparent. Anything that is the distorting of something sacred to make it the opposite of sacred is profane. So sex should be about sharing, and value in huamn interactions, but it is not nowadays. Sex is about hedonism, about feeling good. It makes it into a one person paradigm, you're there to 'feel good; and she is there to 'feel good', but in many ways you are not working together to meet those ends. Sex with people of the same gender, sex as a lifestyle, sex as a weapon, sex as a tool to get things you want... All profanity of the sacredness that is (or should be) sex.

Or were you guys asking about it more removed?
Sacred means holding the highest value, it means something that is bigger than ourselves. Scared is the rules and structures that made us who we are today (like the water cycle, not like hospitals).
Profane means the illusion of sacredness, but the opposite of sacred. It means making something have the lowest value, and it means ignoring the things that are bigger than ourselves.

That's very subjective and simple, but it is what I have. Objectivity of descriptor words is kinda a misnomer anyways.

So I should buy profane and sell sacred?

Quote:I don't mean to come off as self-righteous.

Far too late to say that. Not the term I would choose. Here we say 'wowser'. Now a generic term,but originally invented for the Methodists. Those people were against sex,as it has been known to lead to dancing.

I am not 'against sex'. I am against the objectification of humans.

There are two things in this world. Objects and sujects. Ends and means. Humans are ends but never means. Sex is a mean, but never an end. If you are the object and sex is the subject, you have gotten all horse-before-cart. I am trying to live the best life I can as a human, but if that offends or bothers y'all, then I apologize. I don't think I should just act like everyone else, but instead am responsible for figuring out the right way to live.

(January 19, 2010 at 9:27 pm)Pippy Wrote: I am not 'against sex'. I am against the objectification of humans.

There are two things in this world. Objects and sujects. Ends and means. Humans are ends but never means. Sex is a mean, but never an end. If you are the object and sex is the subject, you have gotten all horse-before-cart. I am trying to live the best life I can as a human, but if that offends or bothers y'all, then I apologize. I don't think I should just act like everyone else, but instead am responsible for figuring out the right way to live.

I think you really need to be a bit MORE gentle with yourelf and your expectations of yourself. You appear to be getting bogged down in rhetoric. No one really cares what YOU choose to do...just don't shove it down anyones' throat.

As for Objectification?? I am thinking that is a hangover from the Hebrew Patriachal period that forms the basis of the three major religions (and their off shoots) today. 5k+ years of habit is hard to break so I wouldn't get too emotional if I were you...

Just be yourself ...that is all.