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Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
#51
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
(December 5, 2008 at 12:51 pm)Daystar Wrote: I believe in God because his word the Bible is evidence to me[...]

I'm failing to see your evidence for the bible being "his word". You just make this assumption, probably under the impression that nobody will call you on it? Well considered yourself called Tongue. Any evidence that the bible is God's word?
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#52
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
(December 5, 2008 at 12:51 pm)Daystar Wrote:
(December 5, 2008 at 12:18 pm)Ace Wrote: I for one has had enough about "how great the bible is". It's not great at all!

Just as I have had enough about "how great science is." I don't even disagree with that and I have had enough of it.

(December 5, 2008 at 12:18 pm)Ace Wrote: I'd like to point out that the bible was written by people who believed the world is flat, and that the earth is the centre of the universe and that women were responsible for lightning striking churches.

Okay, there are two possible responses I can give to this. First of all I could make the simple request that you back that statement up, having discussed those sorts of criticisms with atheists many times I happen to know you can't, because they are not true. And secondly I could give you the benifit of the doubt and assume that the people that wrote the Bible did think those things and thus place all the more reason to believe the Bible is the word of God rather than men because he was telling them the exact oppisite of what you suggest they thought about those thinngs.

Bloody fucking hell you would think you guys could come up with at least a halfway decent argument. Where is your sense of logic and reason, did they beat it out of you in school? I'm uneducated and I can see that.

(December 5, 2008 at 12:18 pm)Ace Wrote: These people knew nothing! Everything they wrote was from a superstitious view. There was no scientific method back then.

Science is still catching up with the Bible. This is so lame, Ace. C'mon!

(December 5, 2008 at 12:18 pm)Ace Wrote: So why should I abandon all science today, with all it's data, evidence, research, study and countless great thinkers just because a book says so which was written by people who thought the world was flat!?

I already made the point of the flat earth, but as far as abandoning science I never suggested that! Would it be such an ominous task to not be so spoon fed by your science. I sure as hell wouldn't even allow the Bible to do that to me. I won't put up with that shit from nobody Science or God.

(December 5, 2008 at 12:18 pm)Ace Wrote: There is no such thing as a god. Since nothing says there is one.
(The bible does not class as evidence)

I've been down that road too many times here. If you can't define the simple word god you will continue in that sort of ignorance.


If anyone back then believed the world was flat, they would have their heads cutoff.

Everyone back then believed it. The bible is the biggest bullshit story ever told.
I'm using logic and reason right now, by questioning everything you, the bible and this gawd thing. I am using logic. The bible is a load of crap.

You seem to be very defencive about the bible there. A book made from people who thought the world was flat. That bible to me is nothing but a childs story book. This is how I truly feel about it. As do many atheists.

Now the bible is evidence of nothing. Books cannot be classed as evidence.

Everyone back then had a very superstitious view, I think it's madness. I know you don't agree but the bible is loaded with contradictions and blood.

What reason is there to believe everything the babble says? If there was a sign on the edge of a cliff that said jump because the sign says so, would you? Hell no! It's the same with the bible.

Sorry but I really think the bible is just a waste of paper. It's covered in supersitions.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#53
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
Quote:Science is still catching up with the Bible. This is so lame, Ace. C'mon!

Wrong, the bible is staying where it is and science is moving forward.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#54
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
Daystar Wrote:Science is still catching up with the Bible. This is so lame, Ace. C'mon!
Only because you interpret the Bible to conform with recently discovered science, and then when you can't (such as in the case of Evolution), you just deny science completely.

It's a close-minded view to take, and actually quite hilarious to watch. Where the Bible does seem to "conform" with scientific opinion, it is at best; ambiguous.
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#55
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
We got germs right, we got cells right, we got gravity and reletivity right, we got the atom right, we were doing so well! Damn those evolutionists getting it so darn wrong! Confused
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#56
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
(December 5, 2008 at 4:47 pm)Tiberius Wrote:
Daystar Wrote:Science is still catching up with the Bible. This is so lame, Ace. C'mon!
Only because you interpret the Bible to conform with recently discovered science, and then when you can't (such as in the case of Evolution), you just deny science completely.

It's a close-minded view to take, and actually quite hilarious to watch. Where the Bible does seem to "conform" with scientific opinion, it is at best; ambiguous.

I am going to assume that the reason you and other atheists here seem to have no capacity for logical thought in your defense as youth and inexperience rather than having anything to do with being brainwashed by monkies in suits.

You have spoken with me enough to know my skill as a Bible scholar and also as SCIENTIFICALLY RETARDED!?
Ace, some advice . . .

Don't criticize something you know nothing about. The Bible, and therefore the writers of the Bible, doesn't say that the earth is flat. That the earth was the center of the universe, or that lightning would strike churches? I don't even know what that was about, but I am safe in assuming that as with the first two you were wrong about the third. Thus my point.

Check your facts and evidence.
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#57
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
(December 5, 2008 at 10:44 pm)Daystar Wrote: Don't criticize something you know nothing about. The Bible, and therefore the writers of the Bible, doesn't say that the earth is flat. That the earth was the center of the universe, or that lightning would strike churches? I don't even know what that was about, but I am safe in assuming that as with the first two you were wrong about the third. Thus my point.

Check your facts and evidence.

Ezekiel 7:2
"You, son of man, thus says the Lord Yahweh to the land of Israel, An end: the end is come on the four corners of the land."

Often taken to mean the earth is flat.


Ecclesiastes 1:5
"Also, the sun rises and the sun sets; And hastening to its place it rises there again."

Sun moving around Earth.

Lightning striking churches? I dunno what he's talking about either. I'm interested- does the Hebrew translation say something different? And I know you may disagree, but do not deny me that people do in fact interpret these verses in the way I have here.


Also, Daystar, if you could not lump everyone together with one glorious insult I'd appreciate it. If you really think I'm illogical then, ok, that's weird, I like to believe I think fairly rationally. And I would turn around your point about you criticizing something you know nothing about and point it right back at you- you've blatantly called the theory of evolution "bullshit," contradicting the VAST majority of biologists, geologists and paleontologists who actually have experience in the field and actually have reason to believe the theory of evolution is correct in explaining the facts of evolution.
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#58
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
Daystar, whether you're an expert on the bible or not, that doesn't mean that any of the claims you make is true. As far as I'm concerned the bible is mostly a work of fiction. There's no evidence of the supernatural or any God in it at all. No evidence inside or outside of the bible. So until you can give any evidence of the truth of anything supernatural at all, or anything miraculous at all, in supernatural biblical sense. How can you ask for us to give evidence of the non-truth of it? Unless you still proclaim that the burden of proof is wrong and its really not on the believer and the person making the claims? And if instead you're simply not claiming anything and you want to keep it to yourself, fine. But don't ask for an atheist to try and disprove the stuff you say. The burden of proof is on you.
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#59
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
Quote:Lightning striking churches? I dunno what he's talking about either

Sorry about that, I mixed it up with the bibleBlush

Let me explain, people believed hundreds of years ago that since lightning kept striking churches and that there was a lot of superstitious idiots, they believed women were responsible for lightning hitting churches and so many women believed to be witches were drowned.

Now since no one really understood how energy works, they never realized that churches happen to be one of thee tallest buildings around and have the greatest chance of being struck....turns out all they needed was a simple lightning rod which was finally provided by scienceTongue So religion owes science on that.

I'm not sure how far back this idiot thing went.Huh

It's funny how the theists resulted to prayer and killing women and yet could never fix the problem...hmm maybe they should be using their hands for something else instead of collapsing them in prayer and killing women with.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#60
RE: Observations On Atheism Part II - God And The Bible
(December 5, 2008 at 10:44 pm)Daystar Wrote: I am going to assume that the reason you and other atheists here seem to have no capacity for logical thought in your defense as youth and inexperience rather than having anything to do with being brainwashed by monkies in suits.

You have spoken with me enough to know my skill as a Bible scholar and also as SCIENTIFICALLY RETARDED!?
Actually, I have spoken with you long enough to know that you feel very strongly about your beliefs about the interpretation of the Bible, but that doesn't make you any more right that the millions of other believers who interpret it differently. I could rant and rave my opinion of the interpretation of certain words and phrases of several books, but it wouldn't make me right.

Science is not about one person spewing their beliefs and interpretations of data, it is about the entire community checking and rechecking the claims. So far you are the only person on these forums to have claimed certain things about biblical interpretation. Other believers have come along and interpreted it differently (for example, you don't believe in a hell of damnation, whilst some theists on this forum do). What makes you right and them wrong? Where is your data? Where is the peer-reviewed analysis of your claims?

At one point I found that the hebrew word for the Earth's shape translated to "flat" or "circle", and you retorted with a claim that some book you had disagreed. I don't have that book however, and there was no reference online to the translation as a "sphere" like you claimed. At the end of the day, you are asking me to have complete trust in everything that comes out of your mouth, and I can't bring myself to do that; especially on the internet.
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