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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 12:06 pm
(October 2, 2013 at 11:08 am)Brian37 Wrote: (October 2, 2013 at 11:07 am)max-greece Wrote: There is no further point in debating with SavedByGraceThruFaith as he/she has abandoned reasoned argument altogether.
Essentially he/she has evolved into a troll.
So? I like chewtoys.
To that end, it's time for another round of Magic 8-Ball:
(October 2, 2013 at 10:43 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The vast majority are deceived.
My sources say no.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 12:08 pm
your Bible says one man can't be punished for another man's sins therefore that shows inconsistency for everyone after Adam, oh and Jesus
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 12:11 pm
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
- Buddha
"Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 12:13 pm
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2013 at 12:20 pm by Angrboda.)
In your OP you assert that a kind of complexity is a reliable indicator of design. This may work for books, computers, and perhaps Clovis points. However there is a large class of very complex objects for which this claim cannot be confidently asserted. Human beings (and for that matter, most of life) are incredibly complex, yet it is not known whether they are the product of natural processes or design. Because we have a huge class of objects which have the property you claim is indicative of design, but we don't actually know whether they are designed or not, your claim that you know that complexity is a certain guide to design is simply false, since you don't know this to be the case for a large, common, and plentiful class of objects (humans). It is possible that they are designed, yet, because it is not known that they are designed, it is not known to be a reliable indicator of design for those objects (humans). If you have independent proof that humans are designed, this argument you've made becomes superfluous to that proof.
Assertion refuted. Complexity is not known to be a reliable indicator of design.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Its not fair - I only got to use one of my arguments and the OP failed to address it properly.
What am I going to do with the other 26? I'm not sure they'll stay fresh in the fridge.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 12:28 pm
And research. You forgot that.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 12:29 pm
(October 2, 2013 at 12:23 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But the workings of cells and DNA are to ordered, complex, and interrelated to have arisen by random chemical reactions.
Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Of course he doesn't. It's an ID talking point designed to fool shitheads.
In many cases it obviously works.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Holy shit - the OP is back.
OK - Question number 2 (not that you answered number 1):
If God designed all the lifeforms on earth how is it that 98% of all the species on Earth have gone extinct?
A 98% fail rate is pretty fucking appalling for a designer - but for a perfect one its just unthinkable.
Therefore there is no perfect designer and God disappears again.
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