(October 2, 2013 at 12:49 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Mistaken about the origin of DNA, cells, life, etc.

Not mistaken about DNA, RNA, proteins, cell division, enzymes, protein folding, etc.

Right, so what qualifications in these fields do you have, to disagree with their findings?

Because I'm sure you wouldn't be so blindingly arrogant as to comment on a subject that you aren't educated in, right?

(October 2, 2013 at 12:53 pm)Tonus Wrote: So god is either incompetent or evil. Is that it?

I vote for both.

(October 2, 2013 at 12:49 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 12:40 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Wait -- biology? Didn't you just tell us how the majority of biologists were mistaken (or did that only apply to specialists in genetics)? Which biologists are you taking your cues from? And don't fucking come back with those sorry Jesus fanboys at the Discovery Institute.

Mistaken about the origin of DNA, cells, life, etc.

Not mistaken about DNA, RNA, proteins, cell division, enzymes, protein folding, etc.

How do you conclude that they are mistaken about the origin of DNA, Cells, life etc. when you stated elsewhere:

"And we do not know what is the cause of DNA, RNA, cells, or living organisms."

I think your argument is starting to fall apart at the seams in your own mind - let alone in our opinions.

(October 2, 2013 at 12:59 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 12:53 pm)Tonus Wrote: So god is either incompetent or evil. Is that it?

I vote for both.

There are polling places for this? More reason not to trust the government, they always hide things.

(October 2, 2013 at 12:56 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

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(October 2, 2013 at 12:53 pm)Tonus Wrote: So you are asserting that god either...

a) ...designed humans so badly that they could not resist being deceived

or

b) ...intended for them to be deceived at the very start

So god is either incompetent or evil. Is that it?

Just that God made man with free will and not robots.
To truly give free will is to allow man to disobey and reject God.

Even 1/3 the angles who have free will rebelled.

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(October 2, 2013 at 12:53 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So the scientists are right when they announce findings that don't come into (apparent) conflict with your book, but wrong when they tread on its turf?

In the end, it would be true that if their findings actually conflict with the holy Bible, they would be wrong.

Complete fail number 2.

(October 2, 2013 at 12:58 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 12:49 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Mistaken about the origin of DNA, cells, life, etc.

Not mistaken about DNA, RNA, proteins, cell division, enzymes, protein folding, etc.

Right, so what qualifications in these fields do you have, to disagree with their findings?

Because I'm sure you wouldn't be so blindingly arrogant as to comment on a subject that you aren't educated in, right?

The theories of atheistic origin science are not accepted by all scientists.

The mistake in the theories of atheistic origin science is to completely ignore the actions of God.

For example, atheistic origin science sees common traits, genes, etc as proof of evolutionary ascent or descent (depending on how you look at it).

But all good designers use common elements in multiple designs. So common traits, etc is just the actions of a great Creator.

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(October 2, 2013 at 12:59 pm)max-greece Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 12:49 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Mistaken about the origin of DNA, cells, life, etc.

Not mistaken about DNA, RNA, proteins, cell division, enzymes, protein folding, etc.

How do you conclude that they are mistaken about the origin of DNA, Cells, life etc. when you stated elsewhere:

"And we do not know what is the cause of DNA, RNA, cells, or living organisms."

I think your argument is starting to fall apart at the seams in your own mind - let alone in our opinions.

Hardly. I know what it is the cause - God the Creator.

We meant mankind with only atheistic origin science's assumptions.

(October 2, 2013 at 12:56 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Just that God made man with free will and not robots.
To truly give free will is to allow man to disobey and reject God.

Even 1/3 the angles who have free will rebelled.

That did not address the question. You claimed that god is justified in punishing everyone for the original sin because if any other person had been there, he would have sinned as well. This points to more than just an issue of free will or bad decision-making. If any human put in that position was guaranteed to fail... per your claim... then they were either designed to fail, or they were presented with a scenario that god knew they could not resist. So... is he a bumbler, or a malicious bastard?

(October 2, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 12:56 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Just that God made man with free will and not robots.
To truly give free will is to allow man to disobey and reject God.

Even 1/3 the angles who have free will rebelled.

That did not address the question. You claimed that god is justified in punishing everyone for the original sin because if any other person had been there, he would have sinned as well. This points to more than just an issue of free will or bad decision-making. If any human put in that position was guaranteed to fail... per your claim... then they were either designed to fail, or they were presented with a scenario that god knew they could not resist. So... is he a bumbler, or a malicious bastard?

God created free will beings.

The fall of man is the consequence of free will.

But remember God triumphs over all that.

Whatever. Your first proof has been shown to be invalid. (Which led to a spurious ad hoc assertion that it couldn't have arisen through random chemical reactions, which, even if true, wouldn't indicate these things are designed. Neither would it indicate that your original argument that complexity indicates design is valid or true, which is what your larger argument rests upon.)

So this entire line of argumentation fails unless you produce something new that we haven't seen yet.

(October 2, 2013 at 1:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The mistake in the theories of atheistic origin science is to completely ignore the actions of God.

THERE IS NO GOD!

Don't you get it yet? Open your mind, look at the facts, and LET GO of your faith! It's the only way that you will ever be YOU! Push God to the side for a minute and contemplate a functioning universe without him. It just makes more sense!

Don't let faith control you anymore. Take control of your own destiny! You won't become an evil, malicious pig, I promise. Your own morals will protect you from corruption. There is no devil to take you over. You can resist temptation without a God. Cross my heart and hope to die!

Have faith in yourself, not superstition.